td11 wrote:even jersey has his reservations about santorum, whom romney is having tremendous difficulty putting away despite having much greater political capital and resources. wonder how he would've fared if faced with a more palatable (to the GOP base) group of challengers

Woody wrote:http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php_n=245894

^ greatest headline in modern history

jerseyhoya wrote:Lugar Defends Himself On Residency Question

Sen. Richard Lugar defended himself during an appearance in Indianapolis on Monday that came days after opponents claimed that he isn't qualified to run for office because he doesn't live in the state.

Lugar said two attorneys general have affirmed his position that the Indianapolis address on his Indiana driver's license is valid, even though he sold that home in 1977.

Lugar said he and his wife sold their house in Indianapolis because the only way they could afford to keep the family together and be part of their sons' school and after-school activities was to move to Washington, D.C. full time and buy a home there.
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Lugar also owns a farmhouse where his son lives, but he said he will not take that as his official residence because it wouldn't be accurate.

Lugar said he isn't sure what address is on his Indiana driver's license but presumes it was from the house he no longer owns.

The address on his license is of a home he sold THIRTY FIVE YEARS AGO.

jerseyhoya wrote:Lugar Defends Himself On Residency Question

Sen. Richard Lugar defended himself during an appearance in Indianapolis on Monday that came days after opponents claimed that he isn't qualified to run for office because he doesn't live in the state.

Lugar said two attorneys general have affirmed his position that the Indianapolis address on his Indiana driver's license is valid, even though he sold that home in 1977.

Lugar said he and his wife sold their house in Indianapolis because the only way they could afford to keep the family together and be part of their sons' school and after-school activities was to move to Washington, D.C. full time and buy a home there.
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Lugar also owns a farmhouse where his son lives, but he said he will not take that as his official residence because it wouldn't be accurate.

Lugar said he isn't sure what address is on his Indiana driver's license but presumes it was from the house he no longer owns.

The address on his license is of a home he sold THIRTY FIVE YEARS AGO.

jerseyhoya wrote:Lugar Defends Himself On Residency Question

Sen. Richard Lugar defended himself during an appearance in Indianapolis on Monday that came days after opponents claimed that he isn't qualified to run for office because he doesn't live in the state.

Lugar said two attorneys general have affirmed his position that the Indianapolis address on his Indiana driver's license is valid, even though he sold that home in 1977.

Lugar said he and his wife sold their house in Indianapolis because the only way they could afford to keep the family together and be part of their sons' school and after-school activities was to move to Washington, D.C. full time and buy a home there.
...

Lugar also owns a farmhouse where his son lives, but he said he will not take that as his official residence because it wouldn't be accurate.

Lugar said he isn't sure what address is on his Indiana driver's license but presumes it was from the house he no longer owns.

The address on his license is of a home he sold THIRTY FIVE YEARS AGO.

lethal wrote:Isn't this what Santorum did while representing Pennsylvania in the Senate, but really living in Virginia?

I don't know the election laws in Indiana, but the concept of domicile in legal terms requires a person to affirmatively give up their previous domicile and choose a new permanent place of domicile before domicile changes. So if Lugar had sufficient ties to Indiana and never intended to give them up, he could arguably still be considered a resident. Where did he pay his taxes for instance? Now, listing a residence that he sold with no intention of returning is problematic for sure. Who knows.

Every four years, the U.S. holds a presidential election, and every four years, musicians ask Republican candidates to stop playing their songs at rallies. This year, so far, Newt Gingrich has been asked by Survivor to stop playing “Eye of the Tiger” and Somali-born musician K’naan has asked Mitt Romney to stop playing “Wavin’ Flag.” In 2011, Tom Petty had Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., stop playing “American Girl.”

In campaigns past, David Byrne had Gov. Charlie Crist stop using “Road to Nowhere” in his attacks on Marco Rubio, Jackson Browne had Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and the Ohio Republican Party stop using “Running on Empty” to attack then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. The singers from Heart stopped then-Gov. Sarah Palin from using “Barracuda.” In 2000, Sting asked George W. Bush to stop playing “Brand New Day.”

td11 wrote:heh

Every four years, the U.S. holds a presidential election, and every four years, musicians ask Republican candidates to stop playing their songs at rallies. This year, so far, Newt Gingrich has been asked by Survivor to stop playing “Eye of the Tiger” and Somali-born musician K’naan has asked Mitt Romney to stop playing “Wavin’ Flag.” In 2011, Tom Petty had Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., stop playing “American Girl.”

In campaigns past, David Byrne had Gov. Charlie Crist stop using “Road to Nowhere” in his attacks on Marco Rubio, Jackson Browne had Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and the Ohio Republican Party stop using “Running on Empty” to attack then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. The singers from Heart stopped then-Gov. Sarah Palin from using “Barracuda.” In 2000, Sting asked George W. Bush to stop playing “Brand New Day.”

lethal wrote:Isn't this what Santorum did while representing Pennsylvania in the Senate, but really living in Virginia?

I don't know the election laws in Indiana, but the concept of domicile in legal terms requires a person to affirmatively give up their previous domicile and choose a new permanent place of domicile before domicile changes. So if Lugar had sufficient ties to Indiana and never intended to give them up, he could arguably still be considered a resident. Where did he pay his taxes for instance? Now, listing a residence that he sold with no intention of returning is problematic for sure. Who knows.

jerseyhoya wrote:

lethal wrote:Isn't this what Santorum did while representing Pennsylvania in the Senate, but really living in Virginia?

I don't know the election laws in Indiana, but the concept of domicile in legal terms requires a person to affirmatively give up their previous domicile and choose a new permanent place of domicile before domicile changes. So if Lugar had sufficient ties to Indiana and never intended to give them up, he could arguably still be considered a resident. Where did he pay his taxes for instance? Now, listing a residence that he sold with no intention of returning is problematic for sure. Who knows.

I don't have much of a problem with someone moving their family to the DC area so they can spend more than a weekend here and there with them. I understand the spending time in the state you represent bit, but Reps and Senators do that anyway regardless of where their family lives with events in the district/state. And congressmen don't really make enough money to comfortably keep two separate real houses if they don't have money in the bank before getting elected (or a spouse who makes income). As for cshort's question about what most of them do, I don't think too many move their families to the DC area, but most congressmen don't have families with younger children. A lot of them rent houses with other members of Congress, and I think a sizable majority go home every weekend regardless of what state they represent (hence most votes being Tues-Thurs).

I thought the highlight of the Lugar bit is the driver's license at a house he hasn't owned in as long as Rick Santorum had been alive when he was first elected to the Senate.

jerseyhoya wrote:You have to keep your residence in your home state if you're running for reelection otherwise you are running afoul of the Constitution. Santorum always had a house in Pennsylvania, but it wasn't big and I think he rented it out for at least part of the time he was in Congress. By keeping two real houses, I meant owning two houses large enough to house you and your wife and your seven kids might be tough to swing comfortably on $175k a year. If you're asking people to live within their means, owning a big house that you don't use seems like a good place to start cutting.

cshort wrote:Who's rooming with Barney Frank? On the other hand, there'd be a long line for Kristi Noem.

dajafi wrote:

cshort wrote:Who's rooming with Barney Frank? On the other hand, there'd be a long line for Kristi Noem.

Did a professional development event recently with a lobbyist who knows pretty much all these clowns. He described Noem as among the dumbest human beings he's ever met.

That said: yeah, I probably would