Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:55:05

really struggling to wrap my head around this whole concept

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby td11 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:08:44

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Feb 17, 2012 14:22:12

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri Feb 17, 2012 14:25:31

drsmooth wrote:
td11 wrote:one of you old people explain to me exactly what the "aspirin between knees" comment meant. like, girls kept their legs closed by holding aspirin pills between their legs? or, girls literally took aspirin as contraception by letting it melt by the body heat generated by their knees? i am confused?


you have it right in your 1st guess

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri Feb 17, 2012 14:30:48

TenuredVulture wrote:It does seem as the Santorum bump in the polls is beginning to level off, but according the RCP polling chart, he's higher now (at about 39%) than any Republican has been at any point in the cycle.


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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri Feb 17, 2012 20:18:56

pacino wrote:i'm still basking in the light of my title thread


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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby phdave » Fri Feb 17, 2012 20:36:00

I was just looking at pollster.com. What the hell happened to Romney's favorability/unfavorability ratings? The guy has been running for president for what, 8 years and suddenly he has a spike in his unfavorables in the past few weeks? Did he kill someone or something and I missed it?

EDIT: I guess it's not the past few weeks. It's the past few months.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby allentown » Fri Feb 17, 2012 21:49:58

phdave wrote:I was just looking at pollster.com. What the hell happened to Romney's favorability/unfavorability ratings? The guy has been running for president for what, 8 years and suddenly he has a spike in his unfavorables in the past few weeks? Did he kill someone or something and I missed it?

EDIT: I guess it's not the past few weeks. It's the past few months.

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Up until last couple months he's gotten to just run around saying what great business experience he has, stating how he wants to currently define himself and his new positions, and hurl criticisms at President Obama. With the debates, he's had criticisms leveled at what his business experience really consists of (minor partner in venture capital for startups, but with big $ coming from raping stodgy companies for his hedge fund and throwing guys out of work and bankrupting said companies), had his opponents remind voters of what his positions used to be and how much they've changed, actually be compared to other Republicans, have to say bad things (many untrue) about other Republicans, and generally looking wooden in a series of debates and stump appearances. It is different saying what you want to friendly audiences and actually having to handle actual debates, real questions from media, and counter attacks by opponents. I don't think he was ever all that likeable. He was just viewed as the steady-hand, inevitable, it's his turn candidate for Republicans. Like H. Clinton, he thought he'd just cruise through primaries and has now run into a few icebergs.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby pacino » Fri Feb 17, 2012 22:27:48

washington, nj, maryland. let's all embrace marriage equality! except the fat man, i guess
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sat Feb 18, 2012 05:17:59

allentown wrote:
phdave wrote:I was just looking at pollster.com. What the hell happened to Romney's favorability/unfavorability ratings? The guy has been running for president for what, 8 years and suddenly he has a spike in his unfavorables in the past few weeks? Did he kill someone or something and I missed it?

EDIT: I guess it's not the past few weeks. It's the past few months.

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Up until last couple months he's gotten to just run around saying what great business experience he has, stating how he wants to currently define himself and his new positions, and hurl criticisms at President Obama. With the debates, he's had criticisms leveled at what his business experience really consists of (minor partner in venture capital for startups, but with big $ coming from raping stodgy companies for his hedge fund and throwing guys out of work and bankrupting said companies), had his opponents remind voters of what his positions used to be and how much they've changed, actually be compared to other Republicans, have to say bad things (many untrue) about other Republicans, and generally looking wooden in a series of debates and stump appearances. It is different saying what you want to friendly audiences and actually having to handle actual debates, real questions from media, and counter attacks by opponents. I don't think he was ever all that likeable. He was just viewed as the steady-hand, inevitable, it's his turn candidate for Republicans. Like H. Clinton, he thought he'd just cruise through primaries and has now run into a few icebergs.

To add to allentown's posit...

His problem with the "real" Republicans is he reminds them of Obama... smooth and charismatic, promises all the right things. They see him as an opportunist who'll say or do anything. They don't trust his ideals, the flip-flopping on core issues. Most core Republicans want principled consistency in a candidate and they have doubts whether he's a Republican with Republican values .

I think the perceptions of '08 play a factor too. Mitt lost to McCain, McCain lost to Obama. If A > B and B > C, then A > C. Not that it's predictive, it's just how some people think.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby drsmooth » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:04:28

Phan In Phlorida wrote:His problem with the "real" Republicans is he reminds them of Obama... smooth and charismatic, promises all the right things. They see him as an opportunist who'll say or do anything. They don't trust his ideals, the flip-flopping on core issues. Most core Republicans want principled consistency in a candidate and they have doubts whether he's a Republican with Republican values .

I think the perceptions of '08 play a factor too. Mitt lost to McCain, McCain lost to Obama. If A > B and B > C, then A > C. Not that it's predictive, it's just how some people think.


Plus they seem to cotton to someone who comes out of nowhere, and is "sassy"

so a Santorum-Jeremy Lin ticket would be catnip, but for the whole scary Asian with big Harvard brain thing

this link to a story on steps being taken to clear the way for use of drones in the US may not belong here, but drones look like fun, whatever you may think of their potential use to spy on Santorum-creators
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:41:19



Geitner goes before House Budget Committee, agrees with Ryan that our long term path is unsustainable because of debt, then suggests the administration doesn't really have a plan for it other than disliking Ryan's plan

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:41:25

So, a leverage buyout uses other people's money to take over a business, then they borrow money on the new company's credit to pay themselves, and then the company declares bankruptcy, leaving workers and shareholders screwed. So, really, this practice is no different than when say Tony Soprano takes over that sporting goods store, or when Pauly takes over that restaurant in Goodfellas, except without the arson.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby drsmooth » Sat Feb 18, 2012 13:01:03

jerseyhoya wrote:

Geitner goes before House Budget Committee, agrees with Ryan that our long term path is unsustainable because of debt, then suggests the administration doesn't really have a plan for it other than disliking Ryan's plan


don't lie. eddie munster does most of the talking there, other than about 12 words from geithner, who is a bankerweasel, and you can have him.

but back to eddie munster.

eddie's saying there "you don't have a plan, and my plan is to bite old people on the neck"
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby dajafi » Sat Feb 18, 2012 13:24:23

Has Ryan ever once expressed regret for his Medicare Part D vote, or any other of the dozens of votes he took during the Bush years that served to undo all the work of the '90s to get us on a sustainable fiscal course?

Has he ever shown any willingness at all to consider closing tax loopholes that we know don't help the overall economy, much less higher rates on the super-wealthy whose taxes were cut so steeply under Bush?

Until he does any of that, it's difficult to take him seriously as other than a hyper-partisan ideologue. His "plan" is a bad joke that would make things much, much worse, gutting the safety net, severely (heh) worsening inequality and crippling our ability to compete. And even by its own unrealistic projections it wouldn't fix the problem for decades.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sat Feb 18, 2012 13:28:51

I thought "deficits don't matter"

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Feb 18, 2012 14:06:51

dajafi wrote:Has he ever shown any willingness at all to consider closing tax loopholes that we know don't help the overall economy, much less higher rates on the super-wealthy whose taxes were cut so steeply under Bush?


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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Feb 18, 2012 14:41:02

got dragged by a new honey I've been dating to a talk in Berkeley last night - part of a "whistleblower" conference. The talk had Ray McGovern and Daniel Ellsberg on the panel. It was mainly about Bradley Manning. Ellsberg was really articulate and closed with some very chilling remarks and challenges to anyone on whether they want to be complacent about the world or if they are willing to take "any risk" to foment positive change. Left me thinking for sure...

But overall, it was a super insulated scene. A bunch of mostly older Berkeley-ites -- that generally know each other. Preaching to the converted. Lots of whoops and hollers. Shout outs in the audience to the likes of Annie Sprinkle and Cindy Sheehan. And a guy from the Baltimore Sun who has been f'd with by the govt.

It's true that democracy is a myth. The media is not independent 4th estate anymore keeping govt in check. But it just feels that these folks are so marginal. I didn't hear any real solutions proffered. Yes, things are wrong. US meddles and manipulates and kills and tortures and pollutes - mostly with our tax dollars. This isn't knew info. And I don't see any means by which it will meaningfully change.

So I respect anyone - who puts their own life's interests at risk for things they believe in, and who are willing to put their time and resources and safety in to jeopardy for what they believe to be the greater good. And they showed clips of footage of soldiers doing bad stuff, and extremist mouthpieces on Fox news -- and it is shocking at times how the propaganda works and who gets to the bully-pulpit. But I just didn't come out of there feeling I was with "my people" or that there was any clear path to affect positive change.

And I'm largely disinterested in presidential or congressional politics at this point because all 3 branches are massively corrupt and schills of big money. Laws are there to protect a class interest. There is nothing transparent in govt and corporate. And the info sources are imbedded with the policy makers. The fluid flow of corp govt and media - makes it one texture. One function.

Herd the sheep. Shut up p-t-k have a beer and watch the game... ok....

I'm too old, beat down and self-absorbed to be a revolutionary...

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby td11 » Sat Feb 18, 2012 16:08:09

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Feb 18, 2012 16:41:35

GM and Chrysler should've gone into managed bankruptcy. They would have been able to reorganize to compete globally without costing billions in tax dollars.

Chrysler ended up going into bankruptcy anyway.

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