Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby drsmooth » Sat Feb 18, 2012 17:06:29

jerseyhoya wrote:GM and Chrysler should've gone into managed bankruptcy. They would have been able to reorganize to compete globally without costing billions in tax dollars.

Chrysler ended up going into bankruptcy anyway.


it all looks so simple in your rearview mirror

"managed bankruptcy"; do you have any idea what you're even talking about?
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Feb 18, 2012 17:11:26

Beyond this Romney op-ed, absolutely not. But he says Chrysler and GM did end up going through bankruptcy procedures eventually. I thought it was only Chrysler. If both did, then that hit on him is even dumber.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Rev_Beezer » Sat Feb 18, 2012 17:28:52

Yay, according to Rick Santorum I have fallen out of Christianity. Good.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Werthless » Sat Feb 18, 2012 18:01:40

drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:GM and Chrysler should've gone into managed bankruptcy. They would have been able to reorganize to compete globally without costing billions in tax dollars.

Chrysler ended up going into bankruptcy anyway.


it all looks so simple in your rearview mirror

"managed bankruptcy"; do you have any idea what you're even talking about?

He was making the same arguments 3 years ago. The administration's subversion of bankrupcy law was blasted at the time for reshuffling interests arbitrarily/politically, and its now being blasted for costing us money.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby cshort » Sat Feb 18, 2012 18:06:08

drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:GM and Chrysler should've gone into managed bankruptcy. They would have been able to reorganize to compete globally without costing billions in tax dollars.

Chrysler ended up going into bankruptcy anyway.


it all looks so simple in your rearview mirror

"managed bankruptcy"; do you have any idea what you're even talking about?


Bankruptcy is traditionally "managed" by the courts, not the White House.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby allentown » Sat Feb 18, 2012 20:12:39

He's talking about a pre-packaged bankruptcy. Easier said than done in the time available. The complaint seems to be that the unionized workers made out too well. They did give back on salary. This is quite the opposite of the Bush bank bailouts, including AIG which will not be paid back, where the Repubs in Congress bitched and moaned at the suggestion that the bankers sacrifice their bonuses, which were fraudulently calculated on the assumption that the banks had a good year, when actually they walked over the cliff of insolvency. But hey, they're wealthy captains of the universe deserving of Republicans protection. They shouldn't have to give up a cent or suffer any regulation at all to be rescued with oodles of government $. Now, those grubby, middle-class unionized auto workers on the other hand -- how dare they survive their company's near bankruptcy with their union intact?
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby drsmooth » Sat Feb 18, 2012 20:43:42

cshort wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:GM and Chrysler should've gone into managed bankruptcy. They would have been able to reorganize to compete globally without costing billions in tax dollars.

Chrysler ended up going into bankruptcy anyway.


it all looks so simple in your rearview mirror

"managed bankruptcy"; do you have any idea what you're even talking about?


Bankruptcy is traditionally "managed" by the courts, not the White House.


oh, so you don't know what he's talking about either
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby drsmooth » Sat Feb 18, 2012 20:48:04

Werthless wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:GM and Chrysler should've gone into managed bankruptcy. They would have been able to reorganize to compete globally without costing billions in tax dollars.

Chrysler ended up going into bankruptcy anyway.


it all looks so simple in your rearview mirror

"managed bankruptcy"; do you have any idea what you're even talking about?

He was making the same arguments 3 years ago. The administration's subversion of bankrupcy law was blasted at the time for reshuffling interests arbitrarily/politically, and its now being blasted for costing us money.


bankruptcy proceedings can reshuffle interests arbitrarily and politically - see how American Airlines' pension liabilities were going to be handled before cooler heads called bullshit.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby drsmooth » Sat Feb 18, 2012 21:14:31

Yes, but in a double utley you can put your utley on top they other guy's utley, and you're the winner. (Swish)

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby drsmooth » Sat Feb 18, 2012 23:01:23



The sheriff seemed especially agitated about being "outmanned"
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby drsmooth » Sat Feb 18, 2012 23:07:45

It's the kind of thing that might fool you into believing finding material for the Stewart show couldn't be all that hard
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby drsmooth » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:58:44

today Ross Douthat tries the "contraceptives don't reduce abortions so it's not crazy to oppose them" storyline with numbers, and gets his ass handed to him in the comments - by a red-state dude

The very lowest teen pregnancy (not birth, pregnancy) rates in the nation are in liberal New England. According to the Guttmacher data,
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/USTPtrends.pdf the states with the lowest rates of teen pregnancy are New Hampshire (50th), Vermont (49th), and Maine (48th). Liberal Massachusetts is 43rd. (Rhode Island is 27th, Connecticut 36th.)

The deep red states of the deep South, on the other hand, are almost all in the top 10 highest for teen pregnancy rates -- Georgia (8th), Mississippi (5th), South Carolina (10th) -- with Alabama the ONLY one that does a little better at 16th. Arkansas is 7th.

Don't tell me you didn't notice the massive difference in teen pregnancy rates between the bluest part of the country and the reddest. You saw it. But you wanted to tell a different story. So you carefully chose California as your representative "blue" state.

Hm. I wonder why you chose California. Perhaps it would be because the one group of states with even higher teen pregnancy rates than the South is: New Mexico (1st), Nevada (2nd), Arizona (3rd), & Texas (4th). It doesn't take a genius to guess that the same immigrant demographics in parts of California are pulling California (15th) away from the other blue west coast states (mid-30s) and toward Alabama, which (surprise!) is the one you chose for comparison.


why didn't some of you guys warn him
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Feb 19, 2012 23:24:32

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Michigan: Santorum 37, Romney 33, Paul 15, Gingrich 10


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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 20, 2012 00:07:20

Longwinded explanation from SCOTUSBlog about the possibility of the Montana campaign finance case turning into a vehicle to take on Citizens United. Toward the end, the guy makes reference to the fact that if the court affirms the central findings in Citizens United, that makes it harder to overturn in the future. I'm not really sure why advocates of overturning the decision would try and press their case now with the same five people on the bench. If they can find cases to pick at the edges of the decision, that'd be one thing, but if this is only properly suited to go at the heart, then it seems like a waste of energy.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby pacino » Mon Feb 20, 2012 00:11:26

montana's an interesting state. strong democrats in that state. the national party could learn something from them.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 20, 2012 00:24:51

Not sure there's a state in the union where Obama's job approval rating has fallen more compared to how he did in 2008 than Montana. It was Obama's 6th worst state in the country in 2011 according to Gallup, and he held McCain under 50% there in 2008.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby pacino » Mon Feb 20, 2012 00:33:28

brian schweitzer is probably the #1 pick to run for president in 2016 on the democratic ticket, before deval patrick, corey booker, or elizabeth warren.

he's not a huge liberal, but he holds a lot of democratic values and is able to connect with people. he isnt afraid to oppose his senate and veto things left and right.

not really sure what president obama's approval rating has to do with any of that?
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 20, 2012 00:53:51

Schweitzer is a long way from being the #1 pick to run for the Dems in 2012. Have to think some senators, plus other governors like Cuomo and O'Malley are more likely front runners. Plus Biden? or Hillary?

I was throwing Obama's approval out there as a way of saying things have taken a turn for the worse for Democrats in Montana in the past few years. Tester's a slight underdog in his reelect, the GOP is favored to take Schweitzer's seat in November because he's term limited, and Republicans picked up 18 seats in the Montana House in 2010 (50-50 split to 68-32). Montana Dems have done well for themselves over the past decade given their partisan disadvantage though, you're right about that.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Mon Feb 20, 2012 03:27:10

jerseyhoya wrote:Schweitzer is a long way from being the #1 pick to run for the Dems in 2012.

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