I got a ticket today for doing 97 in a 65. With an expired license. I had FOP cards from 2006-2010 and tried to hand them all to the cop when I gave him my license, but he gave them back to me without even looking at them and said, "I won't be needing those." For chrissakes the guy who gave them to me (my wife's uncle) was Deputy Chief of Police of one of the nicest towns in SJ, and the state trooper wouldn't even look at them. He also gave me shit about having one of the those mini-Phillies bats in between the passenger seat and center console- he said it could be used as a weapon (which it why it is there). At that point I knew he was a dick so I reached down, grabbed my ice-scraper which is under the seat and asked him if he was going to charge me with having a concealed weapon.

After he gave me my tickets, he had the balls to say, "Have a nice day" to which I replied, "Have fun protecting and serving by hiding in the trees and writing tickets all day- what a fun job- oh and I'll try and not keep my 4 year old's toys in the car (re: the bat and no I don't have any kids that I'm aware of). See you in court."

dont do 97? why exactly are you upset at him? am i missing something where donating money means you don't have to follow laws?

Sorry you got a ticket, but frankly I'd be pissed to hear that you got out of a speeding ticket for doing over 30MPH over the limit because you handed him some card that means nothing.

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I'm just venting. I wasn't driving carelessly or recklessly. There wasn't a car within a half mile in front or behind me. It's one thing to drive like a maniac, weaving in between lanes and putting people at danger but come on. Doesn't the police have better things to do? It just bothers me that on top of paying this ticket (I don't even know how much it is), my insurance goes up, and I'll have to pay a surcharge monthly to the State of NJ for the next 3 years or something like that. Now I have to go to court and hope the prosecutor will let me take an up-charge where I pay more up-front- like I'll plead guilty to not wearing a seat belt, failure to show documents, driving while on a cell phone etc (none of which was the case)... for a few hundred dollars more than my speeding ticket to avoid getting the points on my license and paying all of that other shit.

In NJ, FOP cards are pretty much get out of jail free cards for things like speeding- especially when the cop (who gives them to my whole wife's family every year for Xmas) is/was as highly ranked as he was. I never got anything but a warning when I would get pulled over and give them to the cop. It might not be right, but that's the way it is. What pisses me off is in the town he was deputy chief of, Like 90% of the Flyers live there and when anyone on the team got pulled over for DUI's and stuff like that he was immediately notified and personally drove them home while another cop drove the Flyers' car home. Now that's fucked up.

dude, you were driving 30 mph over the speed limit. that is pretty reckless.

When I was 17, my dad was still a cop, a lieutenant in East Detectives in Philly. I got pulled over for running a red light at Cottman and the Boulevard driving home from my girlfriend's house one night. At the time I thought I had crossed legally, and even if I didn't it was borderline. But I was crapping myself because it was the first time I'd ever been pulled over. I gave the cop my courtesy card my dad had given me, and like the dick he was, he snapped at me to put it away. He took my info, went back and wrote the ticket, then came back and was kind of nice after that point. I asked him what the point of the courtesy cards was, why my Lieutenant dad would tell me to show it to a cop if it didn't help. His jaw dropped. "You didn't tell me your dad was a cop," he said. And I explained, that's why I showed you that card. He told me he could give those to anyone, his friend's kids could carry them. And then he asked me where my dad worked and what squad he worked. And he stood there for a minute, stared off and bit his lip, and held the ticket in his hand. "Get out of here. Watch your speed," he told me, and walked back to his car.

Basically, I don't know how your conversation went, Phight, but if you didn't say exactly who you knew, he might not have even paid attention to the damn cards. Or he might just be a dick. Cops are pretty much dicks (to the general public, at least) in general, but it takes a special kind of dick to work highway patrol.

Business peeps, have any of you dealt with Six Sigma? Just wondering if it's worth it to get something basic like a Yellow or Green belt....

Best part about working as a janitor at my middle school during college summers was meeting and getting to know all of the cops in my town who would sit in our break room whenever they had a DARE meeting.

Perhaps if it were local law enforcement instead of a state trooper...

Anyhoo, down here you get a sticker to put on your car (which prolly entitles you to one free murder or something).

My uncle (who's a detective somewhere in PA) has been giving me FOP memberships for Xmas each year since 2007. I get one card, one big emblem thingy (which I never bother to display on my car), and two stickers every time he renews it. It's worked out pretty well so far, as I was pulled over twice in WA with expired NC tags and got off with warnings each time. Also got let off with a warning after getting stopped for "rolling" through a stop sign while not having a front license plate (which I still haven't put on the car, btw... ughh).

I'm still not sure why knowing or being related to a cop is a license to break traffic laws. Well, I know why it happens, but the ethics of it all baffles me.

Remember that thread about cops

Rant over. I just looked at the ticket and he only gave me a 79 in a 65 so I guess he wasn't that big of a dick. Upon further review I would put him in the Harvey Keitel range. I guess I just got the Milton Berle impression of him as soon as he walked to the car. I don't know if he could have given me another ticket for driving with an expired license or not. Luckily I had my passport, birth certificate, and filled out renewal form in the car because I really did go to the DMV yesterday and tried to get it renewed but the line was too long so I said fuck it. Anyway that's the excuse I gave him- that I was driving that fast because I was trying to get to the DMV before it closed.

And my wife talked to her cousin a few hours ago and she said that the FOP is for local police stations- not state troopers. Apparently they have their own version of a get out of jail free card, but you're right Barry, I should have told him he was a deputy chief from the get go- although he retired a few years back. But to top it off he was even the friggin president of his FOP chapter which is probably why he can still get the cards.

BigEd76 wrote:Business peeps, have any of you dealt with Six Sigma? Just wondering if it's worth it to get something basic like a Yellow or Green belt....

As certifications go, Six Sigma, ITIL, PMP, CIA, CISSP - the non vendor specific ones, are all worth it in my opinion. It's one of the few ways you can differentiate yourself if you find yourself looking for work and it's always better to be proactive and obtain these things before you need them. Particularly if you can do it on the company dime.

stop breaking the law, problem solved

this whole discussion is mindboggling to me

pacino wrote:stop breaking the law, problem solved

this whole discussion is mindboggling to me

You're such a right winger

marion- the other day i thought about "tacocat" and laughed.

We'd probably be better off without speed limits. Or without giving cops the ability the write traffic violations.