In actuality, jeff makes a negligible contribution to society. A million jeffs? Now we're talking. He likely pays taxes, stays within the boundaries of decent society, and even barbecues from time to time. Or, if he's a city resident, he barbecues on the roof of his rowhome. Either way, his kind are a net plus to furthering our society as they have the ability to help out others less fortunate.

pacino wrote:In actuality, jeff makes a negligible contribution to society. A million jeffs? Now we're talking. He likely pays taxes, stays within the boundaries of decent society, and even barbecues from time to time. Or, if he's a city resident, he barbecues on the roof of his rowhome. Either way, his kind are a net plus to furthering our society as they have the ability to help out others less fortunate.

Exactly. But people like Jeff aren't having many kids in general.

pacino wrote:In actuality, jeff makes a negligible contribution to society. A million jeffs? Now we're talking. He likely pays taxes, stays within the boundaries of decent society, and even barbecues from time to time. Or, if he's a city resident, he barbecues on the roof of his rowhome. Either way, his kind are a net plus to furthering our society as they have the ability to help out others less fortunate.

It's a free rider thing. Jeff could duckout and no one would notice, but in general, society needs people like him, and us I guess, to eventually step up.

pacino wrote:In actuality, jeff makes a negligible contribution to society. A million jeffs? Now we're talking. He likely pays taxes, stays within the boundaries of decent society, and even barbecues from time to time. Or, if he's a city resident, he barbecues on the roof of his rowhome. Either way, his kind are a net plus to furthering our society as they have the ability to help out others less fortunate.

Yeah, but he said he contributes "a ton" to society. I can't imagine how much one would have to do to achieve that status.

I'm no different than Jeff in that regard: I pay my taxes, have never committed a crime (ticketed twice, simultaneously), and generally keep to myself. I work full-time and go to school. I've only mooched off the government to help pay for my classes; never been on welfare or even unemployment.

But I also realize I'm a needle in the haystack that is society. If I died tomorrow, I wouldn't be missed and I'm quite content with that reality.

I seem to remember reading wealthier individuals have about half a kid less than lower-income persons. They just have them several years later in life. I'm not sure if there is some sort of causation there, and which came first. Did wealthier people get wealthier because they had kids later, or did they have kids later because their wealth gave htem more options earlier in life?

That half a kid number could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain about higher income people delaying child-rearing.


edit: crash, you seem to think of society as one huge monolithic beast. I would posit that it's much more than that, and far more complex. Society is a number of things on a number of levels. There is the general world of course, which I believe you are talking about. Of course 1 in 6+ billion means little. But bring that down to a tangible level, such as your family unit or neighborhood and your life and impact on said unit becomes much more pronounced. You matter to more people and more lives than you think. You just don't matter to some guy in California. You can improve your corner of the world without seeing the macro results. That doesn't mean you didn't do something of value.

pacino wrote:I seem to remember reading wealthier individuals have about half a kid less than lower-income persons. They just have them several years later in life. I'm not sure if there is some sort of causation there, and which came first. Did wealthier people get wealthier because they had kids later, or did they have kids later because their wealth gave htem more options earlier in life?

That half a kid number could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain about higher income people delaying child-rearing.

If I had to guess at a causal link, it would be that wealthier people make a conscious choice to hold off having kids until their careers are well-underway.

Harpua wrote:

Phight On! wrote:6 months ago the Mike's Hard Lemonade ads were all about being tough guys in a pussified politically correct America (while blatantly stereotyping gay men in a negative manor).

Now I just saw one that casually mentioned they now have a pomegranate flavored lemonade.

Welcome to Negative Manor, where your stay will be more crappy than you can imagine. The wait staff is dour and surly, we only serve porridge, tasteless fish and soggy french fries, and the mattresses are filled with packing peanuts. I hope you have the stay of your life.

Oh OK, I typed Manor instead of Manner. Sorry about that.

If you look hard enough here at BSG, I'm sure you will be able to find more homophones, spelling, and grammatical errors. There are a bunch of threads to go threw.. oops I meant through (or thru) so you better start cracking.

Seriously don't be a douche.

Phight On! wrote:

Harpua wrote:

Phight On! wrote:6 months ago the Mike's Hard Lemonade ads were all about being tough guys in a pussified politically correct America (while blatantly stereotyping gay men in a negative manor).

Now I just saw one that casually mentioned they now have a pomegranate flavored lemonade.

Welcome to Negative Manor, where your stay will be more crappy than you can imagine. The wait staff is dour and surly, we only serve porridge, tasteless fish and soggy french fries, and the mattresses are filled with packing peanuts. I hope you have the stay of your life.

Oh OK, I typed Manor instead of Manner. Sorry about that.

If you look hard enough here at BSG, I'm sure you will be able to find more homophones, spelling, and grammatical errors. There are a bunch of threads to go threw.. oops I meant through (or thru) so you better start cracking.

Seriously don't be a douche.

Dude, my bad. Wasn't trying to be a douche to you, just having a little bit of fun with something that popped into my head on a random thread. I normally don't point that stuff out, and wouldn't. I'll go back and delete it if you want.

Harpua wrote:Dude, my bad. Wasn't trying to be a douche to you, just having a little bit of fun with something that popped into my head on a random thread. I normally don't point that stuff out, and wouldn't. I'll go back and delete it if you want.

Nah, it's my bad. I overreacted. Sorry for calling you a douche.

Phight On! wrote:

Harpua wrote:Dude, my bad. Wasn't trying to be a douche to you, just having a little bit of fun with something that popped into my head on a random thread. I normally don't point that stuff out, and wouldn't. I'll go back and delete it if you want.

Nah, it's my bad. I overreacted. Sorry for calling you a douche.

No worries. And the more I read what I wrote, the more it seems absurd.

Anyhoo, back to your regularly scheduled program about kids and whatever.

jeff2sf wrote:

pacino wrote:Bringing someone's age into the equation to dismiss their opinion is pretty weak.

Children aren't special jeff.

Sorry, I was going somewhere else with that, but the point is, MOST 22 year olds feel the way crash does - I certainly did. It's an irrelevant data point.

Second, how much did I nail the society being messed up thing. Total socialist hippie sort of thing.

Third, Jerseyhoya's right. I actually think dajafi, has a "duty" to pop out a couple kids, or at least adopt them. I can't imagine having three kids, but I'm halfway convinced it's my duty as a person who contributes a ton to society to pop out more than the replacement rate. Ultimately my wife will win that decision.

Ah, the "Idiocracy" argument. One of my good friends made the point years ago that "people like us" had to have kids. She's turning 34 this year, is about to start a PhD program, and hasn't yet spawned.

Anyway, I agree with the milder version of the argument, as voiced by pacino, jhoya et al on the last page. And if it makes you feel better, jeff, we're probably going to start down the adoption road pretty soon unless I can make some deal with the universe that I get to be 44 and my wife 36, rather than the other way around.

But I've thought about the prospect of my own potential parenthood in coming up with these new rules for air travel, and I concluded that even if I had enough kids to field a basketball team, I still wouldn't be so dickish as to take them on planes until they got to age 4 or so.

jerseyhoya wrote: ... but in general, society needs people like him, and us I guess, to eventually step up.

Society needs more internet nerds posting goofy shit on message boards?

I try to hold my weight with the entendres, et al, but I'm just one man...

What's up guys

I feel Crashburb's argument but I'ma spit out one at soem point, partly becauer you guys make it seem so awesome

SEVEN TWENTY FIVE FUCK THAT WORLD

Haven't slept a wink all night. Finally a few minutes ago I decided fuck it, I'll try to be productive until I either pass out or decide to attempt a normal day.

Turns out that jet lag really, really, really sucks.

Uncle Milty wrote:

phatj wrote:

pacino wrote:I seem to remember reading wealthier individuals have about half a kid less than lower-income persons. They just have them several years later in life. I'm not sure if there is some sort of causation there, and which came first. Did wealthier people get wealthier because they had kids later, or did they have kids later because their wealth gave htem more options earlier in life?

That half a kid number could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain about higher income people delaying child-rearing.

If I had to guess at a causal link, it would be that wealthier people make a conscious choice to hold off having kids until their careers are well-underway.

I don't think it's a conscious choice. It's the simple fact that your comparing careers to jobs.

I don't understand what you mean by this.

It certainly was a conscious choice with my wife and I (not that we're wealthy, but we're better off than many).

how is babby formed

how girl get pragnent

I have 1 kid, and unless something goes terribly awry, I'm not having another. She's overindulged, and is developing a powerful sense of entitlement. On the plus side, I'm too lazy to be a helicopter parent.

I vaguely remember starting that possessions thread. Pretty surprised everything is spelled right.

wait wait wait crashburn is about to become a teacher?

2nd day of funemployment isn't all that its cracked up to be.