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Postby lethal » Fri Oct 17, 2008 01:22:30

dajafi wrote:I've never heard an argument "against" the EITC. It's probably the most popular and least controversial anti-poverty initiative this country has ever developed and implemented. St. Reagan Himself called it “the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress.”

The cliche is that "liberals like it because it makes work pay, conservatives like it because it rewards work." Maybe I'm a weird liberal because I believe there's a legitimate case for paternalism in public policy--expecting recipients of public assistance to work if they're able strikes me as a fairly conventional facet of the social contract--but both justifications sit well with me.


EITC is also perhaps one of the most abused individual tax provisions. When I was in law school, I worked in the tax clinic and over half my clients were poor folks who got audited because they claimed a random non-related child for their EITC.

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Postby Monkeyboy » Fri Oct 17, 2008 03:43:09

Yeh, McCain's was a little funnier, I think. He had better material and a little better timing/delivery.
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Postby traderdave » Fri Oct 17, 2008 09:38:34

McCain to crowd: Hey did you hear the one where I call my wife a ---- in front of a dozen reporters?

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Postby traderdave » Fri Oct 17, 2008 13:58:49

I just watched McCain and Obama and I agree that most of the time McCain's delivery was better. However, the two best jokes were:

[Obama lamenting that the event was not at Yankee Stadium]
I do love the Waldorf Astoria though, you know, I heard that from the door step you can see all the way to the Russian Tea Room.

[Obama to Al Smith immediately thereafter]
It is an honor to be here with Al Smith. I obviously never knew your great-grandfather but from everything that Senator McCain has told me the two of them had a great time together before Prohibition.

Honorable Mention:
[Obama about the event]
I was thrilled to get this invitation and I feel right at home here because it has often been said that I share the politics of Alfred E. Smith and the ears of Alfred E. Neuman.

Overall, not bad for either of them considering one of them is going to be the most powerful man in the world in three months.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Oct 17, 2008 13:59:57

DCCC just took out a $15 million loan. We're getting outspent so heavily on every level. We're honestly going to lose two dozen house seats.

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Postby BuddyGroom » Fri Oct 17, 2008 14:12:22

traderdave wrote:I just watched McCain and Obama and I agree that most of the time McCain's delivery was better. However, the two best jokes were:

[Obama lamenting that the event was not at Yankee Stadium]
I do love the Waldorf Astoria though, you know, I heard that from the door step you can see all the way to the Russian Tea Room.

[Obama to Al Smith immediately thereafter]
It is an honor to be here with Al Smith. I obviously never knew your great-grandfather but from everything that Senator McCain has told me the two of them had a great time together before Prohibition.

Honorable Mention:
[Obama about the event]
I was thrilled to get this invitation and I feel right at home here because it has often been said that I share the politics of Alfred E. Smith and the ears of Alfred E. Neuman.

Overall, not bad for either of them considering one of them is going to be the most powerful man in the world in three months.


I have not seen the McCain video yet - what I read was funny. But watching the Obama video, I thought he was hilarious.
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Postby dajafi » Fri Oct 17, 2008 14:36:49

Definitely want to go home and watch these. The jokes traderdave posted are tremendous, and I'm sure McCain was great--his sense of humor has been MIA in this campaign, but it's pretty damn good.

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Postby The Dude » Fri Oct 17, 2008 14:57:06

EVeryone get this in an email from an angry relative?

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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Oct 17, 2008 15:16:06

The Dude wrote:EVeryone get this in an email from an angry relative?

[youtube]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/gA6_k3NtXZs&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/gA6_k3NtXZs&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/youtube]


I can't believe I watched 2 minutes of that. I thought it was going to be funnier. Oh well.
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Postby Bakestar » Fri Oct 17, 2008 15:18:02

Wait, isn't that Bucky's boy in the video?
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Postby Woody » Fri Oct 17, 2008 15:19:32

Bakestar wrote:Wait, isn't that Bucky's boy in the video?


I don't think you're supposed to call them that, bake

Oh wait... You meant...

Oh.
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Postby drsmooth » Fri Oct 17, 2008 15:27:57

jerseyhoya wrote:DCCC just took out a $15 million loan. We're getting outspent so heavily on every level. We're honestly going to lose two dozen house seats.


hey, that's my schtick /FTN
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Postby Woody » Fri Oct 17, 2008 15:33:25

Just saw this on the fivethirtyeight live blog posts from the last debate

10:26 EDT: [Sean] McCain keeps saying Palin's son has autism, but it's Down's Syndrome.
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Postby Werthless » Fri Oct 17, 2008 15:38:33

Woody wrote:Just saw this on the fivethirtyeight live blog posts from the last debate

10:26 EDT: [Sean] McCain keeps saying Palin's son has autism, but it's Down's Syndrome.

What a jerk..


PS. congrats on your 20000th post.

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Postby Woody » Fri Oct 17, 2008 15:39:31

oh damn!
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Postby dajafi » Fri Oct 17, 2008 15:53:32

Werthless wrote:PS. congrats on your 20000th post.


I sometimes have this nightmare that I'm hauled into court for whatever reason, and as proof of my low character and bad work ethic someone brings up that THIS MAN HAS MADE NEARLY 8,000 POSTS TO A BASEBALL MESSAGE BOARD, OFTEN WHILE HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY DOING WORK.

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Postby Woody » Fri Oct 17, 2008 15:59:05

bump?
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Postby Trent Steele » Fri Oct 17, 2008 17:06:26

Woody wrote:oh damn!


Doofus. I made my 10,000th post count.
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Postby philliesphhan » Fri Oct 17, 2008 17:54:06

The Dude wrote:EVeryone get this in an email from an angry relative?

[youtube]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/gA6_k3NtXZs&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/gA6_k3NtXZs&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/youtube]


The description claims "The case is nothing short of electrifying" yet it's just some dude with a beard talking. His main case seems to be "He has a birth certificate that says he was born in this country, but I don't believe it."
"My hip is fucked up. I'm going to Africa for two weeks."

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Fri Oct 17, 2008 17:57:07

Give me a warning when that stuff is going to be more than a minute thirty.

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