mpmcgraw wrote:I really doubt that.

TenuredVulture wrote:The idea of Palin a heartbeat away from the Presidency scares the $#@! out of me.

dajafi wrote:Real pro-America Americans at a Palin rally:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPg0VCg4AEQ[/youtube]

pacino wrote:

BuddyGroom wrote:

Werthless wrote:

BuddyGroom wrote:

mpmcgraw wrote:giving tax refunds to people who don't pay taxes?

The earned income tax credit, which was championed by Bill Clinton and had some Republican support I'm pretty sure, is a refundable credit, meaning poor people can get back money they never paid in taxes in the first place.

It may or may not be socialism, but it's not a new concept for us.

BTW, who cares if it's "socialism" or not. We should care if it will work.

What standards do you have for whether such a policy "works?"

Whether it helps the working poor exit and/or stay off public assistance programs. Whether it helps the working poor avoid foreclosure or rent delinquency. There's two possibilities.

Sorry to bump this up, but I felt I needed to add something:

Plus, they actually do pay federal taxes, unless people don't count social security and medicare payroll taxes?

TenuredVulture wrote:

pacino wrote:

BuddyGroom wrote:

Werthless wrote:

BuddyGroom wrote:

mpmcgraw wrote:giving tax refunds to people who don't pay taxes?

The earned income tax credit, which was championed by Bill Clinton and had some Republican support I'm pretty sure, is a refundable credit, meaning poor people can get back money they never paid in taxes in the first place.

It may or may not be socialism, but it's not a new concept for us.

BTW, who cares if it's "socialism" or not. We should care if it will work.

What standards do you have for whether such a policy "works?"

Whether it helps the working poor exit and/or stay off public assistance programs. Whether it helps the working poor avoid foreclosure or rent delinquency. There's two possibilities.

Sorry to bump this up, but I felt I needed to add something:

Plus, they actually do pay federal taxes, unless people don't count social security and medicare payroll taxes?

And of course, as I've noted in the past, though no one seems to think they matter, poor people pay lots of state and local taxes.

Shore wrote:It was Johnstown. That was probably their Mensa meeting.

Shore wrote:

dajafi wrote:Real pro-America Americans at a Palin rally:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPg0VCg4AEQ[/youtube]

It was Johnstown. That was probably their Mensa meeting.

Mountainphan wrote:More ACORN stuff from CNN...

Over in Indiana, PA and Northern Cambria, PA, volunteers fielded complaints of a massive wave of ugly robocalls both paid for by John McCain's campaign and those paid for by third parties. The third party call was interactive, and purported to be from Barack Obama himself. The call starts out reasonably, and then "Obama" asks what the listener thinks is the most important issue. Whatever the response, "Obama" then launches into a profane and crazed tirade using "n***er" and other shock language.

phdave wrote:

Mountainphan wrote:More ACORN stuff from CNN...

This report gets to the relevant details of the ACORN situation.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8yVkU5vabE&eurl=http://www.google.com/reader/view/?hl=en&tab=wy[/youtube]

Also, on Fox, Laura Ingraham and a constitutional lawyer fight it out over registration issues:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eicg5A1Qt_U&e[/youtube]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.


In the cross hairs of the campaign carried out by DCI of Washington were Republican senators and a regulatory overhaul bill sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. DCI's chief executive is Doug Goodyear, whom John McCain's campaign later hired to manage the GOP convention in September.

Freddie Mac's payments to DCI began shortly after the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee sent Hagel's bill to the then GOP-run Senate on July 28, 2005. All GOP members of the committee supported it; all Democrats opposed it.

In the midst of DCI's yearlong effort, Hagel and 25 other Republican senators pleaded unsuccessfully with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., to allow a vote.

"If effective regulatory reform legislation ... is not enacted this year, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole," the senators wrote in a letter that proved prescient.

Unknown to the senators, DCI was undermining support for the bill in a campaign targeting 17 Republican senators in 13 states, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press. The states and the senators targeted changed over time, but always stayed on the Republican side.

In the end, there was not enough Republican support for Hagel's bill to warrant bringing it up for a vote because Democrats also opposed it and the votes of some would be needed for passage. The measure died at the end of the 109th Congress.

McCain, R-Ariz., was not a target of the DCI campaign. He signed Hagel's letter and three weeks later signed on as a co-sponsor of the bill.

By the time McCain did so, however, DCI's effort had gone on for nine months and was on its way toward killing the bill.

In recent days, McCain has said Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were "one of the real catalysts, really the match that lit this fire" of the global credit crisis. McCain has accused Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama of taking advice from former executives of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and failing to see that the companies were heading for a meltdown.

McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, or his lobbying firm has taken more than $2 million from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dating to 2000.

Obama has received $120,349 in political donations from employees of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae; McCain $21,550.

Camp Holdout wrote:colin powell breaking down why he is endorsing obama instead of mccain on Meet the Press. he is doing it quite well. really hitting on some great points.

another republican for obama. as soon as this clip is up on youtube ill link it here. it is really quite good.

here:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A4LfWhU0Uk[/youtube]

Woody wrote: here's the Alaska rap from SNL (see 1's animated avatar above)

Camp Holdout wrote:colin powell breaking down why he is endorsing obama instead of mccain on Meet the Press. he is doing it quite well. really hitting on some great points.

another republican for obama. as soon as this clip is up on youtube ill link it here. it is really quite good.

here:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A4LfWhU0Uk[/youtube]