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by **drsmooth** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:34:40

VoxOrion wrote:It's tied already, what do I win?

wait, I get it - Joya's saying he'll be surprised if anything changes much by Monday.

dude knows how to reach

by **drsmooth** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:35:41

jerseyhoya wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:I will be surprised if, barring any unforeseen developments, this race isn't basically tied by the beginning of next week.

It's arguably basically tied right now

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

This is at 4.4. It will be within 1.5 by Tuesday.

What time do they open the polls

by **VoxOrion** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:37:42

VoxOrion wrote:Predicted storylines by Sunday:

1. Palin caused a bigger poll bump than McCain did.
2. Republicans wish the ticket were reversed.

Then by next week McCain/Palin will go back to being invisible in the news cycle.

Forget it, this'll lead all weekend.

I'm actually surprised that it took this long for some asshole to say something... assholeish.

by **Fusilli Jerry** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:38:20

Gergen says McCain's policy points were simply recycled Republican policies.

by **FTN** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:39:37

I met Gergen in college.

Probably the most boring person on the planet.

by **VoxOrion** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:39:43

Gergen is off, he seemed really agitated all night. I was watching CNN's coverage of the pre "game" stuff before Cindy and all they were doing was bitching about the convention. It was weird.

by **Fusilli Jerry** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:40:19

Toobin says "worst speech by a nominee ever" and "shockingly bad"

by **TenuredVulture** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:40:46

The CBS poll is junk because it was conducted from Sep 1-3, so you've got a holiday, a day that no one watch the convention, and the day of Palin's speech. It certainly doesn't reflect Palin's impact at all. That will show up in Gallups numbers tomorrow.

by **FTN** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:41:14

VoxOrion wrote:Gergen is off, he seemed really agitated all night. I was watching CNN's coverage of the pre "game" stuff before Cindy and all they were doing was bitching about the convention. It was weird.

He hasn't smiled since he was 13.

by **TenuredVulture** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:41:41

Fusilli Jerry wrote:Toobin says "worst speech by a nominee ever" and "shockingly bad"

For real? Who is the douche, and why does he make more money than me?

by **jerseyhoya** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:42:43

Fusilli Jerry wrote:Toobin says "worst speech by a nominee ever" and "shockingly bad"

Really? I've moved on to the NFL post game show, but I find it hard to believe anyone thought it was shockingly bad.

by **TenuredVulture** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:43:22

Who is Toobin? Someone tell me.

by **jerseyhoya** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:44:49

TenuredVulture wrote:Who is Toobin? Someone tell me.

He's a liberal legal scholar I think. I have no idea why his opinion is worth noting by CNN on McCain's speech.

He wrote a popular book that was out this past year on the Supreme Court. I think he writes for The New Yorker or New York Magazine or something.

by **TenuredVulture** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 23:46:52

I've got to finish my book. Dumbass pundit is maybe the only job easier the college perfessor.

by **Peck Peck** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 00:07:56

dajafi wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:I'm a little less confident tonight about the Democrat's chances.

I think the fact that you and I admired the speech probably means it wasn't a good one, for the Republicans' purposes.

If you both liked it, most likely undecided voters, particularly Hillary supporters who aren't on board yet with Obama, liked it.

by **swishnicholson** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 00:10:13

TenuredVulture wrote:I've got to finish my book. Dumbass pundit is maybe the only job easier the college perfessor.

Toobin graduated from Columbia and was an editor of the Harvard Law Review. I remember this came up for discussion before but I can't remember whether we established whether this made someone smart, a dumbass or was irrelevant.

by **dajafi** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 00:14:19

Peck Peck wrote:
dajafi wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:I'm a little less confident tonight about the Democrat's chances.

I think the fact that you and I admired the speech probably means it wasn't a good one, for the Republicans' purposes.

If you both liked it, most likely undecided voters, particularly Hillary supporters who aren't on board yet with Obama, liked it.

Not sure how you get from A to B there. Neither of us was anything close to a Hillary supporter (strictly on a personal level, I'm much more fond of McCain than Clinton and never made any bones about that), or undecided.

by **Fusilli Jerry** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 00:34:30

jerseyhoya wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Who is Toobin? Someone tell me.

He's a liberal legal scholar I think. I have no idea why his opinion is worth noting by CNN on McCain's speech.

He wrote a popular book that was out this past year on the Supreme Court. I think he writes for The New Yorker or New York Magazine or something.

His bio here

Jeffrey Toobin is a CNN legal analyst for CNN Worldwide. Based in the network's New York bureau, Toobin joined CNN in April 2002.

Toobin joined CNN from ABC News, where, during his seven-year tenure as a legal analyst, he provided legal analysis on the nation's most provocative and high profile cases, including the O.J. Simpson civil trial and the Kenneth Starr investigation of the Clinton White House. Toobin received a 2000 Emmy Award for his coverage of the Elian Gonzales custody saga.

Toobin remains a staff writer at The New Yorker where he has been covering legal affairs for the magazine since 1993. He has written articles on such subjects Attorney General John Ashcroft, the 2001 dispute over Florida's votes for president, the Paula Jones sexual harassment case, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and the trial of Timothy McVeigh His article, An Incendiary Defense, published in the July 25, 1994 issue of the magazine, broke the news that the O.J. Simpson defense team planned to accuse Mark Fuhrman of planting evidence and to play "the race card."

Previously, Toobin served as an assistant U.S. attorney in Brooklyn. He also served as an associate counsel in the Office of Independent Counsel Lawrence E. Walsh, an experience that provided the basis for his first book, Opening Arguments: A Young Lawyer's First Case--United States v. Oliver North.

Toobin has written several critically acclaimed, best-selling books including A Vast Conspiracy: The Real Story of the Sex Scandal that Nearly Brought Down a President; The Run of His Life: The People v. O.J. Simpson; and Too Close to Call: The 36-Day Battle to Decide the 2000 Election. All three books were published by Random House.

Toobin earned his bachelor's degree from Harvard College and graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School where he was an editor of the Harvard Law Review.

He actually spoke quite favorably about Palin's speech.

by gr » Fri Sep 05, 2008 00:36:17

i missed the mccain speech. reading up on it some now. also looking at a clip of o'reilly/obama show. i didn't go back through all the pages, was there reaction to that?

i am happy this convention business, on both sides, is all over with. it's overlong for what it is, commercial after commercial. i'm also about to overdose on Reagan comparisons. he was a great speaker, communicator, etc, we get it already. everybody that delivers is good speech now is Reagan-like. it's become an annoying shorthand phrase like "playing catch-up" and "why don't you go ahead and..."

by **Laexile** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 00:39:39

Fusilli Jerry wrote:Gergen says McCain's policy points were simply recycled Republican policies.

Yeah. Why didn't he go for the recycled Democratic policies Obama gave last week?

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