jerseyhoya wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Hillary is going to win MA.

Disco Stu wrote:Mass goes to Hillary?

What's your mother got to do with this?

Disco Stu wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Hillary is going to win MA.

Disco Stu wrote:Mass goes to Hillary?

What's your mother got to do with this?

About as much as Sunday Church services?

Alabama and Kansas to Obama

VoxOrion wrote:

Laexile wrote:Romney isn't conservative. When the tide started going for McCain Romney repositioned himself as being on the other side of the issue from McCain pretty much down the line. If Romney were to get the nomination he'd move to the center faster than you can say, "flip-flop."

Romney's positioning is what makes him more conservative. McCain is conservative on only two issues - abortion (not even life, he's for federal funding of embryonic stem cells) and the war. That's it.

Didn't being conservative used to being pro-business? McCain's immigration stance is pro-business. His stance on the environment is pretty much the stance a lot of businesses are taking. Since when is being Republican pro-torture? Why is it conservative to be for earmarks and wasteful spending? Didn't being Republican used to be about spending less? How is campaign finance reform liberal?

Yes, I recognize McCain's position isn't seen as "conservative" now, based on how Rush and Hannity define it. It's conservative the way it was defined 30 years ago. I've always thought of myself as a conservative and I agree with McCain on most issues. I'm frustrated at the painting of McCain as not conservative, as if Rush decides who is and who isn't.

McCain is the nominee. I don't care what anyone tries to explain after tonight. He's coming in first in the winner take all states, and a close second in the proportional states. Romney needs to win more than Utah and Massachusetts tonight.

jerseyhoya wrote:McCain is the nominee. I don't care what anyone tries to explain after tonight. He's coming in first in the winner take all states, and a close second in the proportional states. Romney needs to win more than Utah and Massachusetts tonight.

And McCain beats Hillary. Bet.

Both parties are just stoooooooopid with strategy.

VoxOrion wrote:Romney's positioning is what makes him more conservative. McCain is conservative on only two issues - abortion (not even life, he's for federal funding of embryonic stem cells) and the war. That's it.

Spending. Entitlements.

McCain was in the dumpster after his visit to Iraq. Has anything really changed since then?

jerseyhoya wrote:McCain is the nominee. I don't care what anyone tries to explain after tonight. He's coming in first in the winner take all states, and a close second in the proportional states. Romney needs to win more than Utah and Massachusetts tonight.

What's worse is that Romney is running third in all the south and states like Missouri and Oklahoma. Romney may do well in Colorado, but he needs a strong showing in California to appear viable. Not to be viable, but appear to be.

Disco Stu wrote:McCain was in the dumpster after his visit to Iraq. Has anything really changed since then?

Better press from Iraq and unelectable rivals is about it I'd say.

Disco Stu wrote:McCain was in the dumpster after his visit to Iraq. Has anything really changed since then?

Wait, what?

Changed in Iraq? Changed in the GOP primary field? Or changed heads up vs. Hillary or Obama?

Clinton wins Jersey and Massachusetts. (CNN)

They're really slow on calling states tonight.

jerseyhoya wrote:

Disco Stu wrote:McCain was in the dumpster after his visit to Iraq. Has anything really changed since then?

Wait, what?

Changed in Iraq? Changed in the GOP primary field? Or changed heads up vs. Hillary or Obama?

Changed in his stance. He was an afterthought last summer and people were mocking him. The fact he could be president after that is kinda scary.

dajafi wrote:I'm getting that election night 2004 feeling. Time to start drinking maybe.

Okay, this was overstatement on my part. Obama's doing fine. Won DE, looks good in Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota and Idaho, no worse than a split in CT, running fairly well delegate-wise in NJ and NY.

I'm disappointed with the MO results so far and I have the bad feeling about California. But this won't be a knockout blow for The Clintons and I think it gets better from here.

Laexile wrote:Didn't being conservative used to being pro-business?

Yes. Romney is, McCain isn't.

Laexile wrote: McCain's immigration stance is pro-business.

You can try and spin it that way, and there may be truth to this in a cynical from the perspective of a liberal sort of way, but it doesn't reflect the opinion of the non-fiscal part of the coalition. Conservatives have always been anti-illegal alien, they see it as a security issue. Democrats see it as a job issue. This is a huge part of Bush's low approval among conservatives.

Laexile wrote:His stance on the environment is pretty much the stance a lot of businesses are taking.

Debatable.

Laexile wrote: Since when is being Republican pro-torture?

I don't know, ask John McCain.

Laexile wrote:Why is it conservative to be for earmarks and wasteful spending?

It isn't.

Laexile wrote: Didn't being Republican used to be about spending less?

It was, Bush screwed that up. Another huge part of Bush's low approval among conservatives.

Laexile wrote: How is campaign finance reform liberal?

Because it limits free speech and is contrary to the first amendment, in the opinion of conservatives (obviously not in the opinion of the Supreme Court).

Laexile wrote:Yes, I recognize McCain's position isn't seen as "conservative" now, based on how Rush and Hannity define it.

McCain was not a conservative in the past, Rush is using a classic definition, Hannity is a Republican hack that will be McCain's biggest supporter once he wins the nomination. They guy just reads GOP press releases for three hours a day.

Laexile wrote: It's conservative the way it was defined 30 years ago.

Prove it.

Laexile wrote:I've always thought of myself as a conservative and I agree with McCain on most issues. I'm frustrated at the painting of McCain as not conservative, as if Rush decides who is and who isn't.

Rush doesn't, conservatives do. What about McCain stands athwart history yelling Stop? You can think of yourself as whatever you like, that doesn't mean others will agree with your definition. This isn't about Rush Limbaugh, you are mistaking the fact that he has a loud voice and calling him a cause rather than a symptom. Read National Review, Weekly Standard, cruise the conservative blogosphere (ugh, I can't believe I just wrote blogosphere... twice).

dajafi wrote:

dajafi wrote:I'm getting that election night 2004 feeling. Time to start drinking maybe.

Okay, this was overstatement on my part. Obama's doing fine. Won DE, looks good in Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota and Idaho, no worse than a split in CT, running fairly well delegate-wise in NJ and NY.

I'm disappointed with the MO results so far and I have the bad feeling about California. But this won't be a knockout blow for The Clintons and I think it gets better from here.

Yeah, after being down by so much even a week ago, being relatively close in the delegate count will feel pretty good. I like his chances in the remaining states with so much time to campaign.

Disco Stu wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Disco Stu wrote:McCain was in the dumpster after his visit to Iraq. Has anything really changed since then?

Wait, what?

Changed in Iraq? Changed in the GOP primary field? Or changed heads up vs. Hillary or Obama?

Changed in his stance. He was an afterthought last summer and people were mocking him. The fact he could be president after that is kinda scary.

The thing that would make me vote for him is that I think you can actually trust McCain which would be a nice step in the right direction after Clinton and Bush.

I mean if he was willing to be tortured and possibly die in solitary confinement rather than be released before other soldiers who arrived earlier I'd say he might be more a more personable and trustable candidate than the likes of 9-11, Romney, and the christian crazy.

Disco Stu wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Disco Stu wrote:McCain was in the dumpster after his visit to Iraq. Has anything really changed since then?

Wait, what?

Changed in Iraq? Changed in the GOP primary field? Or changed heads up vs. Hillary or Obama?

Changed in his stance. He was an afterthought last summer and people were mocking him. The fact he could be president after that is kinda scary.

He tanked last year in the GOP polls around the same time immigration was a huge issue as he's one of the architects of the guest worker program/path to citizenship bills. As that faded, he's been doing better.

He was a natural place for Rudy voters to fall as he shed them since McCain is seen as moderate, but he's also pro life. Thompson never took off. Huckabee scared the poop out of the establishment, and since McCain looked like the most viable alternative, he got a ton of support.

mpmcgraw pretty much hit it on the head. Iraq doing better and the weakness of the GOP field.

mpmcgraw wrote:

Disco Stu wrote:McCain was in the dumpster after his visit to Iraq. Has anything really changed since then?

Better press from Iraq and unelectable rivals is about it I'd say.

Iraq has helped, but people see McCain as principled and genuine. I think McCain campaigning reminded people of that. You constantly hear, "I don't agree with McCain on that many issues, but I have a lot of respect for him."

Romney has pandered to a lot of groups. That's backfired. It's come off as him being insincere, which is seen as a big contrast to McCain.

Laexile wrote: You constantly hear, "I don't agree with McCain on that many issues, but I have a lot of respect for him."

People have to say that, if you criticize him he turns it into questioning of his war hero status.

See the whole Bob Dole/Rush Limbaugh/Mitt Romney stuff from this morning.