I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random thoughts

Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby gr » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:33:10

Not interested in entertaining the idea that Jordan Zimmerman on a fat contract would be a our #1 guy.
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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby 1 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:55:32

Maybe Jon Lieber is available.
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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby gr » Wed Nov 11, 2015 13:57:15

ROBBYBONFIRE would move him to the bullpen, based on his proprietary rating system.
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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Wheels Tupay » Wed Nov 11, 2015 14:53:54

1 wrote:Maybe Jon Lieber is available.


I remember being excited about Lieber. What a time to be alive.
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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Ace Rothstein » Wed Nov 11, 2015 14:57:03

Wheels Tupay wrote:
1 wrote:Maybe Jon Lieber is available.


I remember being excited about Lieber. What a time to be alive.



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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Bucky » Wed Nov 11, 2015 15:13:51

that's what I remember most too!

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Nov 11, 2015 15:14:55

All I remember was his lack of sideburns. Yuck.

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Nov 11, 2015 15:20:42

Bucky wrote:that's what I remember most too!


I WAS pretty big.

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Nov 11, 2015 15:37:54

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Nov 11, 2015 15:43:41

Klentak on Knapp and Alfaro:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/spor ... R7ojPMK.99

“We still view both of those guys as catchers,” Klentak said Tuesday at the GM Meetings in Boca Raton, Fla.

But Klentak left at least a little room for the possibility that could change in the future. Knapp has played some first base in the Arizona Fall League in the last month.

“I want to try to think as open-mindfully and creatively as I can,” Klentak said. “We don't necessarily have to have the starting player-backup player (setup). Maybe there's a more creative solution to that long term. Look, I hope both these guys are so good this becomes an issue.”

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby phorever » Wed Nov 11, 2015 16:45:56

gr wrote:Not interested in entertaining the idea that Jordan Zimmerman on a fat contract would be a our #1 guy.

this ... and i'm still amazed at this conventional wisdom that ignores the possibility of trades... especially in the case of the phils, given that carleton, schilling, lee, halladay and oswalt were all #1s acquired via trade.
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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby ReadingPhilly » Wed Nov 11, 2015 16:47:46

phorever wrote:
gr wrote:Not interested in entertaining the idea that Jordan Zimmerman on a fat contract would be a our #1 guy.

this ... and i'm still amazed at this conventional wisdom that ignores the possibility of trades... especially in the case of the phils, given that carleton, schilling, lee, halladay and oswalt were all #1s acquired via trade.


i'd be more interested in signing a guy than trading for one. i probably wouldn't give up a pick for zimmerman and definitely not one for chen. this season might be too early to convince a big name starter to come here, but i think the team starts to take shape this year and makes that job easier next winter.

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby BigEd76 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 17:51:24

Leake is who I'd like to see them go after but I think he gets better offers elsewhere. Happ and BIG PELF would be two other possibilities

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Werthless » Wed Nov 11, 2015 18:03:54

ReadingPhilly wrote:
phorever wrote:
gr wrote:Not interested in entertaining the idea that Jordan Zimmerman on a fat contract would be a our #1 guy.

this ... and i'm still amazed at this conventional wisdom that ignores the possibility of trades... especially in the case of the phils, given that carleton, schilling, lee, halladay and oswalt were all #1s acquired via trade.


i'd be more interested in signing a guy than trading for one. i probably wouldn't give up a pick for zimmerman and definitely not one for chen. this season might be too early to convince a big name starter to come here, but i think the team starts to take shape this year and makes that job easier next winter.

I like the trade route if you are currently built to win. Not saying that I sell the farm for a free agent to be, but prospects tend to be overvalued (properly valued?) at this point in the game. You can pick up a number 1 starter while keeping your top 2 prospects.

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby throwinrocks » Wed Nov 11, 2015 18:18:07

The Phils will actually have a good chunk of money to spend this offseason, but signing late 20s/early 30s guys doesnt make a ton of sense. They should offer one year deals to all the players whose value is depressed by qualifying offers:

Chen
Wieters
Desmond
Fowler
Lackey
Gordon
Gallardo

And promise these players that they will either be traded (which removes the QO) or will not receive a QO. Then trade all the players for prospects; farm system fully stocked, World Series in 2017.

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby BigEd76 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 18:45:46

That's a great idea if we wanna lose all our draft picks

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Nov 11, 2015 19:49:48

http://m.phillies.mlb.com/news/article/ ... uild-phils

"What I've learned from the Royals is there's no one way to do it," Klentak said Wednesday afternoon. "The way that they won the last couple years has been unique, relative to how teams have built over the last ... decade or so. And that's encouraging, right? That works for them. The Mets' style worked for them this year. The Cubs' style is working, the Astros' [style] -- again, a very different style that's working for them. That's very positive.

"It can turn on a dime if you're disciplined, if you're organized. If players are developing and you're accurate in the projections of when those guys are going to reach their ceilings or start to achieve at the big league level, it can turn quickly. But you have to be disciplined. You have to be prepared for when that day comes."


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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby throwinrocks » Wed Nov 11, 2015 20:05:19

BigEd76 wrote:That's a great idea if we wanna lose all our draft picks

well you're betting that the value in trading those guys is better than a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th rounder, etc

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Nov 11, 2015 20:53:59

It's a gamble. If you sign those guys and they play well, you'll probably get back more value than the draft picks, especially given how few draft picks work out. But if you sign those guys and they get injured or have bad years, you can cripple your farm system. I think it's worth the gamble in this case because the farm looks pretty good right now and the potential payoff is so great. But I think it depends on your level of risk aversion and how sure you think you are about the signed player(s) doing well.
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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby bleh » Wed Nov 11, 2015 21:32:49

Doll Is Mine wrote:http://m.phillies.mlb.com/news/article/157077598/matt-klentak-has-many-options-to-rebuild-phils

"What I've learned from the Royals is there's no one way to do it," Klentak said Wednesday afternoon. "The way that they won the last couple years has been unique, relative to how teams have built over the last ... decade or so. And that's encouraging, right? That works for them. The Mets' style worked for them this year. The Cubs' style is working, the Astros' [style] -- again, a very different style that's working for them. That's very positive.

"It can turn on a dime if you're disciplined, if you're organized. If players are developing and you're accurate in the projections of when those guys are going to reach their ceilings or start to achieve at the big league level, it can turn quickly. But you have to be disciplined. You have to be prepared for when that day comes."


Klentak is wonderful.

none of those teams signed any big free agents in recent years. He also mentioned how there's not a lot of value in signing free agents. It seems like we're not going to sign any big free agents, which is fine by me.

edit: the cubs did sign lester actually.

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