I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random thoughts

Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby bleh » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:28:18

I think he'll get $200 million. Every team is rolling in cash, so every young player has been getting locked up before they hit FA. The only stars that become FA are aging ones like Pujols/Cano/Fielder who then get way overpaid because that's all that's available. Now that a young almost MVP caliber player is available, teams are going to go all out to sign him.

And every team knows that baserunning & defense is valuable. Everyone has seen the Royals win. And Heyward is the prototype for that style of winning player. And teams know there's a lot less risk in signing a 26 year old than a 30 year old. And I think he'll get an opt out option since all the big ticket young players are getting those lately. So I'll guess he'll get 4 yrs @ $88 million, with a player option of 5 yrs @ $112 million.

And that's very similar to what the Yankees paid for Tanaka who was 25:
4yrs @ $88 million with a player option of 3 yrs @ $67 million + $20 million posting fee. ($175M, 7 yrs total)

And Tanaka hadn't played 1 game of baseball and had no leverage since he could only sign with Yankees.

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Wheels Tupay » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:38:07

Losing a second round pick would not stop me from signing Heyward. I know forfeiting draft picks is, in part, the reason why we are here today but this is a much different situation than signing a Raul Ibanez. Depending on how ridiculous the price is I would probably be in favor of it. He is the only big name FA I would go after though. I wouldn't sign Grienke or Price.
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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby PSUPhilliesPhan » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:56:58

Heyman mentions Giles might be available in his article today:

"Even the Phillies' hard-throwing young closer Ken Giles is said to be available, though that may be more about a team looking to change as much as they can coming off their disastrous season."

Not sure exactly what he's trying to say but I'd trade Giles for the right price. Would you trade Giles for Javier Baez?

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby ReadingPhilly » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:59:32

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:Heyman mentions Giles might be available in his article today:

"Even the Phillies' hard-throwing young closer Ken Giles is said to be available, though that may be more about a team looking to change as much as they can coming off their disastrous season."

Not sure exactly what he's trying to say but I'd trade Giles for the right price. Would you trade Giles for Javier Baez?


one thought i had yesterday was the twins, maybe in an expanded deal, for one of their young hitters.

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby PSUPhilliesPhan » Tue Nov 10, 2015 13:02:58

ReadingPhilly wrote:
PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:Heyman mentions Giles might be available in his article today:

"Even the Phillies' hard-throwing young closer Ken Giles is said to be available, though that may be more about a team looking to change as much as they can coming off their disastrous season."

Not sure exactly what he's trying to say but I'd trade Giles for the right price. Would you trade Giles for Javier Baez?


one thought i had yesterday was the twins, maybe in an expanded deal, for one of their young hitters.


Good call, love their system.

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 14:22:10

Get Kennys Vargas, mash taters. It's a chance to buy low on him after a down season, he's still under control for at least 5 years, and he'll be in a logjam at 1B and DH after the addition (TBD) of Park

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Nov 10, 2015 14:33:25

I don't think trading Ken Giles now gets you as much as you think in return. I'd wait a year and see where the Phillies are.

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 14:35:15

One of the reporters at the meetings (I forget if it was Steaks or someone else) said an exec would consider trading Giles if they can get 3 players for him

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Bucky » Tue Nov 10, 2015 14:41:09

trout?

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Grotewold » Tue Nov 10, 2015 14:44:46

Fangraphs has Herrera second for Gold Glove CF

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby stevemc » Tue Nov 10, 2015 14:54:12

Grotewold wrote:Fangraphs has Herrera second for Gold Glove CF

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and yet, stupid me wants him moved to 2B.

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Werthless » Tue Nov 10, 2015 15:10:28

BigEd76 wrote:Get Kennys Vargas, mash taters. It's a chance to buy low on him after a down season, he's still under control for at least 5 years, and he'll be in a logjam at 1B and DH after the addition (TBD) of Park

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http://m.mlb.com/video/v189541383/cwsmi ... ir-selfie/

I don't think that's enough for Giles.

Now please quote this post when he busts out for 40 HRs in 2 years.

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby phatj » Tue Nov 10, 2015 15:18:50

Bucky wrote:trout?

Might need to throw in Buchanan
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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Nov 10, 2015 20:46:21

Jim Salisbury: http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-phila ... um=twitter

Would new Phillies general manager Matt Klentak trade the 25-year-old closer if it meant getting back talent that would speed the team’s rebuild?

“It’s not a goal,” Klentak said on the first full day of the general managers' meetings Tuesday. “We’re trying as much as possible to collect as many good, young, controllable, quality players as we can.

“But as I said last week and probably the week before that, we’re trying to be opportunistic at every turn and trying not to operate in absolutes. I think Ken is terrific. He’s great in his role. We want to hold the leads we can hold, but I don’t want to categorically say we will or we won’t do anything.”


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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 20:47:28

“I think we do need to be conscious, regardless of how many games we win next year, of making sure from a morale perspective we are winning the games that we are in a position to win and I think having a good bullpen in general is critical to that. And I will also say, when you ask is it a luxury, I think it’s a little different when you’re talking about a guy with one year of service time. If you were talking about a pending free agent then, yeah, that might be a slightly different situation. But Ken Giles, if he’s here, can very easily be a part of our future so I think we have to account for that in our thinking.”


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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby Gimpy » Tue Nov 10, 2015 22:07:42

Doll Is Mine wrote:Jim Salisbury: http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-phila ... um=twitter

Would new Phillies general manager Matt Klentak trade the 25-year-old closer if it meant getting back talent that would speed the team’s rebuild?

“It’s not a goal,” Klentak said on the first full day of the general managers' meetings Tuesday. “We’re trying as much as possible to collect as many good, young, controllable, quality players as we can.

“But as I said last week and probably the week before that, we’re trying to be opportunistic at every turn and trying not to operate in absolutes. I think Ken is terrific. He’s great in his role. We want to hold the leads we can hold, but I don’t want to categorically say we will or we won’t do anything.”


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Phillies hired Sam Hinkie, apparently.

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Nov 10, 2015 22:15:25

Gimpy wrote:


Phillies hired Sam Hinkie, apparently.


HE SAID CONTROLLABLE NOT CRIPPLED.
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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 22:48:39

One of Philly's biggest mysteries: how are these guys only two years apart in age?

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby PSUPhilliesPhan » Wed Nov 11, 2015 00:14:45

BigEd76 wrote:One of Philly's biggest mysteries: how are these guys only two years apart in age?

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Re: I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random though

Postby WhiteyFan » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:58:14

Risky Move Every Team Should Make

Phillies Risky Move: Overpay for a starter that will lead the rotation when the team is ready to compete

After years of tormenting the Philadelphia Phillies fan base, former general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. left the organization in the best state its been in for a few seasons. By trading Cole Hamels, the Phillies are loaded with young talent for the years ahead.

While Philadelphia's prospects won't all hit the big leagues for a few seasons, the club shouldn't be quiet this winter. This free-agent class is exceptionally deep with starting pitchers, which is an area the Phillies could use an upgrade.

After Stephen Strasburg, the 2017 class of free-agent hurlers leaves little to be desired. That's why Philadelphia should pursue the likes of a Jordan Zimmermann or a Wei-Yin Chen, who can help develop young pitchers and lead the rotation down the road when the Phillies are ready to compete.
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