I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random thoughts

by **BigEd76** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 21:44:14

The Cubs signed Lester and the Royals signed Volquez

by **bleh** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 21:58:58

Volquez is 2 years/$20M. That's chump change.

by **Stripes** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 22:32:55

Monkeyboy wrote:It's a gamble. If you sign those guys and they play well, you'll probably get back more value than the draft picks, especially given how few draft picks work out. But if you sign those guys and they get injured or have bad years, you can cripple your farm system. I think it's worth the gamble in this case because the farm looks pretty good right now and the potential payoff is so great. But I think it depends on your level of risk aversion and how sure you think you are about the signed player(s) doing well.

I think that's where the being "disciplined" part comes into play.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 23:05:53

throwinrocks wrote:The Phils will actually have a good chunk of money to spend this offseason, but signing late 20s/early 30s guys doesnt make a ton of sense. They should offer one year deals to all the players whose value is depressed by qualifying offers:

Chen
Wieters
Desmond
Fowler
Lackey
Gordon
Gallardo

And promise these players that they will either be traded (which removes the QO) or will not receive a QO. Then trade all the players for prospects; farm system fully stocked, World Series in 2017.

i don't think any of those guys take a one year deal. maybe lackey and then that is a risk i don't think the phillies would take.

by **Phred** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 09:52:07

ReadingPhilly wrote:
throwinrocks wrote:The Phils will actually have a good chunk of money to spend this offseason, but signing late 20s/early 30s guys doesnt make a ton of sense. They should offer one year deals to all the players whose value is depressed by qualifying offers:

Chen
Wieters
Desmond
Fowler
Lackey
Gordon
Gallardo

And promise these players that they will either be traded (which removes the QO) or will not receive a QO. Then trade all the players for prospects; farm system fully stocked, World Series in 2017.

i don't think any of those guys take a one year deal. maybe lackey and then that is a risk i don't think the phillies would take.

You also block a player from playing the position that one of these signed players play and thusly not allowing for evaluation of said player for at least half of the season.

If you sign Gordon, he plays second and then you don't get to see if Odubel can play second (for example).

by **ReadingPhilly** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:19:09

i assume he is talking about alex gordon who will get in the $100M range and would laugh at the notion of a one year deal.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:40:11

Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst
#Phillies have signed LH reliever James Russell to a minor-league deal. Matt Klentak keeps adding bullpen inventory. More like this to come

by **Doll Is Mine** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:44:44

Jake Kaplan ‏@jakemkaplan
Russell's deal includes an invitation to major-league camp.

by **JFLNYC** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:56:45

Jake Kaplan ‏@jakemkaplan
Russell's deal includes an invitation to major-league camp plus two discount day passes to Disneyworld.

by **Phred** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 13:38:06

ReadingPhilly wrote:i assume he is talking about alex gordon who will get in the $100M range and would laugh at the notion of a one year deal.

Makes sense. Bad example on my part. I still like my point, as well as yours.

by **Stripes** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 14:13:12

Phred wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:
throwinrocks wrote:The Phils will actually have a good chunk of money to spend this offseason, but signing late 20s/early 30s guys doesnt make a ton of sense. They should offer one year deals to all the players whose value is depressed by qualifying offers:

Chen
Wieters
Desmond
Fowler
Lackey
Gordon
Gallardo

And promise these players that they will either be traded (which removes the QO) or will not receive a QO. Then trade all the players for prospects; farm system fully stocked, World Series in 2017.

i don't think any of those guys take a one year deal. maybe lackey and then that is a risk i don't think the phillies would take.

You also block a player from playing the position that one of these signed players play and thusly not allowing for evaluation of said player for at least half of the season.

If you sign Gordon, he plays second and then you don't get to see if Odubel can play second (for example).

Ya, why WOULD any of those guys take a one yr deal? If they turn down a QO, they'll definitely be looking for more yrs/money.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 14:25:37

This is his "I'm being interviewed by the beautiful Sam Ryan" face.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 16:48:56

Franco was a bargain $100,000 international signing. Nola and Crawford were top draft picks. Giles was an under-the-radar seventh-round draft pick with a big arm and a bad delivery. Credit the Phillies’ player-development folks for polishing it up. Herrera was a Rule 5 pick. Williams and Thompson came in a trade.

I'll tell ya, Amaro's reign wasn't as bad as we made it out to be. I think his biggest mistake was not changing course early enough and it ultimately cost him his job.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 16:52:22

Doll Is Mine wrote:
Franco was a bargain $100,000 international signing. Nola and Crawford were top draft picks. Giles was an under-the-radar seventh-round draft pick with a big arm and a bad delivery. Credit the Phillies’ player-development folks for polishing it up. Herrera was a Rule 5 pick. Williams and Thompson came in a trade.

I'll tell ya, Amaro's reign wasn't as bad as we made it out to be. I think his biggest mistake was not changing course early enough and it ultimately cost him his job.

time to move on. he did enough to warrant losing his job, but i'll always believe monty was the one who kept the core together long after their expiration date.

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 16:55:11

Doll Is Mine wrote:
I'll tell ya, Amaro's reign wasn't as bad as we made it out to be. .

by **Grotewold** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 17:02:16

Klentak's each and every word delight

by **WheelsFellOff** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 17:20:13

Grotewold wrote:Klentak's each and every word delight

Stat rockets in flight

by **BigEd76** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 17:20:50

Doll Is Mine wrote:I'll tell ya, Amaro's reign wasn't as bad as we made it out to be.

Seven consecutive years of decline

by **Doll Is Mine** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 17:23:17

BigEd76 wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:I'll tell ya, Amaro's reign wasn't as bad as we made it out to be.

Seven consecutive years of decline

Hey, you don't have to convince me. I was happy to see him go. I'm simply saying that Klentak doesn't appear like a man who's scrambling to fix all of Ruben's mistakes. He set him up quite nicely.

by **Bill McNeal** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 17:23:35

WheelsFellOff wrote:
Grotewold wrote:Klentak's each and every word delight

Stat rockets in flight

Ivy League educated delight!

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