I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random thoughts

by **TenuredVulture** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 17:34:47

It's far too soon for Amaro revisionist history. You can do that for Ed Wade if you're into that kind of thing.

In the meantime, lest we forget, scroll down to the comments section. This may be the first time the comments are the best part of the article.
http://deadspin.com/mlb-has-a-big-money ... oytHipyg.0

by **Ace Rothstein** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 17:37:29

Renewed my partial plan today....I struggled to make that call

by **smitty** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 19:23:29

BigEd76 wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:I'll tell ya, Amaro's reign wasn't as bad as we made it out to be.

Seven consecutive years of decline

93, 97, and 102 wins from 2009-20011. Is that a decline? Must be that new math.

Amaro needed to go. But let's stick to the fax.

by **phatj** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 20:10:46

Doll Is Mine wrote: I think his biggest mistake was not changing course early enough and it ultimately cost him his job.

That's a biggie though. A better GM could perhaps found a way to reload on the fly, and we might not have had to suffer the last three years (and maybe the next year or two as well).

by **Grotewold** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 20:43:18

They probably added two years to the trough we all knew was coming. But it looks like they may have then recouped a year off of the rebuild.

More importantly Klentak seems boss

by **smitty** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 20:54:12

phatj wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote: I think his biggest mistake was not changing course early enough and it ultimately cost him his job.

That's a biggie though. A better GM could perhaps found a way to reload on the fly, and we might not have had to suffer the last three years (and maybe the next year or two as well).

That is correct. I don't think there was a way to stay on top of the division, but Amaro appeared to have no plan. At least when he did unload the oldsters, he got a good return. Plus, they drafted well the last couple of years.

It will help Klentak to follow a guy who wasn't well thought of. But he wasn't handed a pile of doo-doo to clean up.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 21:01:31

Again, I'm curious if that was dictated from above his head and he was a good soldier to the end.

by **smitty** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 21:10:58

A little of both.

by gr » Thu Nov 12, 2015 21:26:35

plus the new draft guy had a go first go 'round it seems.

3 good months of GMing, with Gillick approving everything, don't mean shit

by **BigEd76** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 21:55:23

smitty wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:I'll tell ya, Amaro's reign wasn't as bad as we made it out to be.

Seven consecutive years of decline

93, 97, and 102 wins from 2009-20011. Is that a decline? Must be that new math.

Lost World Series
Lost NLCS
Lost NLDS
.500 / 3rd place
89 losses / 4th place
89 losses / 5th place
worst team in baseball

by **Doll Is Mine** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 21:59:07

ReadingPhilly wrote:Again, I'm curious if that was dictated from above his head and he was a good soldier to the end.

I have to admit, things seemed to change when Pat Gillick took over for Montgomery.

by **smitty** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 22:00:05

BigEd76 wrote:
smitty wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:I'll tell ya, Amaro's reign wasn't as bad as we made it out to be.

Seven consecutive years of decline

93, 97, and 102 wins from 2009-20011. Is that a decline? Must be that new math.

Lost World Series
Lost NLCS
Lost NLDS
.500 / 3rd place
89 losses / 4th place
89 losses / 5th place
worst team in baseball

So regular season win totals mean nothing? They started declining after three seasons of increasing the win total. That isn't a seven year decline. It's a steep four season decline.

by **702** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 22:05:32

Regular season win totals don't mean shit if you don't do anything in the playoffs. Look at the Cards and Pirates this year.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 22:16:36

Regular season sure means a lot more than the playoffs.

by **MoBettle** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 22:27:13

Baseball playoffs are bullshit. Mets were shit outside of the NL East but they make the world series because their muppet second baseman got hot for a week.

by **smitty** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 22:42:37

If you win 93, 97 and 102 games over three years, that's a good team.

They also won 16 playoff games during this period.

by **Gimpy** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 05:12:37

If our 08, 09, 10, and 11 teams faced each other in a playoff style tournament, who would win and why?

Pretty unfair to blame Amaro for playoff losses, in my opinion. You build a team to make the playoffs and then sort of cross your fingers and hope for the best.

by **Bill McNeal** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 08:35:24

Kaplan:

Herrera's 2015 season ranked among the best rookie seasons for a Rule 5 draft pick. The lively 23-year-old was worth 3.8 wins above replacement, the most for a Phillies rookie since Scott Rolen (4.5) in 1997, and emerged as a building block in the organization's rebuilding process. He batted .297 with a .762 on-base plus slugging percentage and played above-average defense in a new position.
....

Klentak said he didn't know much about Herrera when the prospect was in the Rangers system. The Phillies had the inside track on Herrera because Jorge Velandia, a member of their player personnel department, was the player's GM in the Venezuelan winter league with Tiburones de La Guaira. Velandia watched every day as Herrera made his transition from second base to the outfield and then made a succesful pitch to director of pro scouting Mike Ondo, who runs the Phillies' Rule 5 draft.

"The guy was a heck of a Rule 5 pick," Klentak said.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phil ... ccess.html

Interesting article about the Rangers view on Herrera and the Phillis plans for him next year (staying in center it sounds like)

by **JFLNYC** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 08:38:55

Gimpy wrote:If our 08, 09, 10, and 11 teams faced each other in a playoff style tournament, who would win and why?

Pretty unfair to blame Amaro for playoff losses, in my opinion. You build a team to make the playoffs and then sort of cross your fingers and hope for the best.

Whoever did the best job of crossing their fingers and hoping for the best.

by **Wheels Tupay** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 08:54:06

MoBettle wrote:Baseball playoffs are bullshit. Mets were shit outside of the NL East but they make the world series because their muppet second baseman got hot for a week.

Mets rotation is pretty awesome

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