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Postby Monkeyboy » Sat Oct 03, 2015 16:15:49

He'll probably take pennies on the dollar to stay in Heaven
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby karn » Sat Oct 03, 2015 16:23:51

ReadingPhilly wrote:Heyward is really unique though. They likely won't get a shot at a really good 26 year old FA again during their next run. I hope they go all out for him.

This is right on. 4 years of 5.5 WAR out of 6 total. Last two at 6.5. Spend whatever it takes. At the very least you make the biggest offer, that should be a no brainer

My plan for months has been Heyward and an ace. Starter market this offseason will be the best for a while. Time to spend is right now

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Oct 03, 2015 16:39:27

karn wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:Heyward is really unique though. They likely won't get a shot at a really good 26 year old FA again during their next run. I hope they go all out for him.

This is right on. 4 years of 5.5 WAR out of 6 total. Last two at 6.5. Spend whatever it takes. At the very least you make the biggest offer, that should be a no brainer

My plan for months has been Heyward and an ace. Starter market this offseason will be the best for a while. Time to spend is right now



Ironic. As this is the kind of thing might have happened under Rube - but now with the breaking from the past - they are going to swing the oppo way entirely. I agree w/ Karn actually, though I would not sign Heyward for one of those crazy 10 year deals, but a 5 year deal at top dollar if he'd take it. Ironic too, if Rangers felt Hamels wasn't working out and wanted to dump salary and he came home in a year or two...when it comes to pitchers I wish MLB was more like the NFL, non-guaranteed contracts except for signing bonus.

I miss the days of checking stats and seeing Doc, Cole and Cliff -- all sporting WHIPs in the .9 to 1.1 range ....

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Oct 03, 2015 17:01:34

Ray Diddy said on radio this morning that Eickhoff is the first rookie Phillies pitcher with back-to-back 10 strikeout games since Ray Culp in 1963 :shock:

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby karn » Sat Oct 03, 2015 17:25:44

Gonna have to be at least 8/200 I would guess. That would be a no brainer. 10+ years is the only contract length that would scare me and even then only slightly. For his 27-34 years I'm comfortable up to $30 mil /year

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:21:47

karn wrote:Gonna have to be at least 8/200 I would guess. That would be a no brainer. 10+ years is the only contract length that would scare me and even then only slightly. For his 27-34 years I'm comfortable up to $30 mil /year

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby pacino » Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:28:03

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Bucky » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:29:10

how is the dude a 6 war the past 2 seasons when he hasn't even put up an .800

i don't see $30M anywhere in his line

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:41:04

Elite defender. I'd start at 10/220, go to 8/200 to get it done.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Doll Is Mine » Sun Oct 04, 2015 17:59:45

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Doll Is Mine » Sun Oct 04, 2015 18:22:58

Francouer is going to buy Franco a suit regardless. Good man.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Stripes » Sun Oct 04, 2015 18:30:22

Doll Is Mine wrote:
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Phillies invite Bowa, Henderson, McClure and Samuel to return to coaching staff. Nichols and Mizerock will not be back.


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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Wheels Tupay » Sun Oct 04, 2015 18:45:29

we are just stuck with bowa forever aren't we?
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Sun Oct 04, 2015 18:53:22

ReadingPhilly wrote:Elite defender. I'd start at 10/220, go to 8/200 to get it done.

I don't know if it takes that much. He's not prolific enough of a hitter. I think he'd sign elsewhere for less. The question is whether he'll want to do the Jayson Werth thing and deal with a couple of iffy seasons as a young team comes together. So I think it takes more for the Phils to get him, sadly.

Hope I'm wrong. He's a rare free agency opportunity. They really need to put that money freed up by Lee/Utley/Rollins/Hamels(kinda) being elsewhere and Howard nearly being done. This is easily the best place to do it. And the NL East is very vulnerable. A few key moves and the Phils could actually make noise in 2016 and compete in 2017.

That's a risk I have zero problem with.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Titlehungry » Sun Oct 04, 2015 19:03:26

I think Thompson makes the rotation in the spring... he's a stud... I think he has ace potential maybe more than Nola and I love Nola... but Thompson, Nola, Eickhoff, kid #1, and a top free agent is a nice rotation in 17... not counting fliers on guys like Eflin, Pivetta, Lively, eventually Kilome, Imhof... i also wouldn't be shocked if JP, Nick Williams, and Knapp are here by June at the latest... should be a fun year
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby BigEd76 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 19:30:36

Phils ended up with the 2nd-worst run differential at -183. Atlanta finished -187. The next closest teams (CIN/DET) were -114

(Toronto finished +221 after losing by 9 today)

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Wolfgang622 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 19:32:43

Who returns to title round first: Phillies (World Series) or Eagles (Super Bowl)? As of this moment I think the Phillies are in a better spot.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Eddie Jordan » Sun Oct 04, 2015 19:55:22

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Sun Oct 04, 2015 19:56:24

Eddie Jordan wrote:Sixers

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Bill McNeal » Sun Oct 04, 2015 20:12:28

Bucky wrote:how is the dude a 6 war the past 2 seasons when he hasn't even put up an .800

i don't see $30M anywhere in his line



I've been thinking and doing some research about freeman based on the posts in this thread and I've got a post coming encapsulating my thoughts and its close to this here.
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