The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby MoBettle » Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:26:59

Nowadays, all you hear about is how "baseball is dying," and "the game is too slow and boring," and "MLB just needs to let these guys have more fun." Believe me, we players hear all of that media-driven chatter, and we're not buying it. Yes, baseball isn't the NFL (that's a good thing, in my opinion), or the NBA, where fans can rock the gear and emulate the stars much more easily.

But what baseball does have, that those other sports largely do not, is tradition. And while the history of the sport has seen more than its fair share of troubling (institutional) incidents, that is precisely why the game remains so important to so many Americans. Baseball is a reflection of ourselves, our struggles and triumphs, our perseverance.

This is why the recent trend of "look at me" machismo, mostly via these elaborate, annoying and overindulgent hand signals and signs, irks me so much. Yes, let's celebrate the game of baseball, and, if warranted, celebrate our on-field accomplishments with genuine shows of emotion. When you smack a double into the gap to take the lead in the eighth inning, by all means, pump your fist and praise your maker in the sky. But when you flash self-congratulatory signs after a meaningless first-inning single—or, even worse, a walk—you're clowning yourself and not representing your club or your teammates very well.

Despite this, as I ride off into the sunset, I truly believe the future of baseball is in great (if not overly demonstrative) hands. Here's hoping the game's young stewards take time off from patting themselves on the back, though, if only to take notice of how us old guys do things.


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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby pacino » Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:28:19

grrrr these guys are happy grrrr
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby my cousin mose » Fri Oct 02, 2015 14:28:58

Lol only in Philadelphia does that happen. A coach was attacked on field in Chicago; but Philly's gotta go
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Ace Rothstein » Fri Oct 02, 2015 14:36:21

I'm pretty sure I saw more fights in/around AT&T park in the 1 game I watched there than about the 70-80 games I saw at CBP, not to mention the game I went to a fan was killed in a fight during the game outside the stadium.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby stevelxa476 » Fri Oct 02, 2015 14:36:31

Plus he spent the last few years in San Francisco with all of its fan violence and murdering.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby kruker » Fri Oct 02, 2015 16:43:18

Ace Rothstein wrote:I'm pretty sure I saw more fights in/around AT&T park in the 1 game I watched there than about the 70-80 games I saw at CBP, not to mention the game I went to a fan was killed in a fight during the game outside the stadium.


Seriously. Worst stadium I've been to in terms of interactions with the other fans. Every game I've been to there someone has tried to start with me. Ended up punching a guy in the bleachers there in 2012. Him and his friends then tried following me out of the stadium.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Grotewold » Fri Oct 02, 2015 18:13:30

kruker wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:I'm pretty sure I saw more fights in/around AT&T park in the 1 game I watched there than about the 70-80 games I saw at CBP, not to mention the game I went to a fan was killed in a fight during the game outside the stadium.


Seriously. Worst stadium I've been to in terms of interactions with the other fans. Every game I've been to there someone has tried to start with me. Ended up punching a guy in the bleachers there in 2012. Him and his friends then tried following me out of the stadium.


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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Ace Rothstein » Fri Oct 02, 2015 18:32:31

kruker wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:I'm pretty sure I saw more fights in/around AT&T park in the 1 game I watched there than about the 70-80 games I saw at CBP, not to mention the game I went to a fan was killed in a fight during the game outside the stadium.


Seriously. Worst stadium I've been to in terms of interactions with the other fans. Every game I've been to there someone has tried to start with me. Ended up punching a guy in the bleachers there in 2012. Him and his friends then tried following me out of the stadium.



I didn't have any problems with the fans around me, the 1 time I just ordered 2 beers at a beer tub stand when a fight broke out right behind me and the beer vendor hopped over the beer tub and started breaking up the fight. I'm standing there with the 2 beers I asked for which were unpaid for watching him try to break up the fight. I took the beers and walked away, I told the people sitting around me what happened and they were like that happens every Friday night

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby swishnicholson » Fri Oct 02, 2015 18:36:48

MoBettle wrote:
Nowadays, all you hear about is how "baseball is dying," and "the game is too slow and boring," and "MLB just needs to let these guys have more fun." Believe me, we players hear all of that media-driven chatter, and we're not buying it. Yes, baseball isn't the NFL (that's a good thing, in my opinion), or the NBA, where fans can rock the gear and emulate the stars much more easily.

But what baseball does have, that those other sports largely do not, is tradition. And while the history of the sport has seen more than its fair share of troubling (institutional) incidents, that is precisely why the game remains so important to so many Americans. Baseball is a reflection of ourselves, our struggles and triumphs, our perseverance.

This is why the recent trend of "look at me" machismo, mostly via these elaborate, annoying and overindulgent hand signals and signs, irks me so much. Yes, let's celebrate the game of baseball, and, if warranted, celebrate our on-field accomplishments with genuine shows of emotion. When you smack a double into the gap to take the lead in the eighth inning, by all means, pump your fist and praise your maker in the sky. But when you flash self-congratulatory signs after a meaningless first-inning single—or, even worse, a walk—you're clowning yourself and not representing your club or your teammates very well.

Despite this, as I ride off into the sunset, I truly believe the future of baseball is in great (if not overly demonstrative) hands. Here's hoping the game's young stewards take time off from patting themselves on the back, though, if only to take notice of how us old guys do things.


lol what a wiener


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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Bucky » Fri Oct 02, 2015 19:32:29

Ace Rothstein wrote:
kruker wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:I'm pretty sure I saw more fights in/around AT&T park in the 1 game I watched there than about the 70-80 games I saw at CBP, not to mention the game I went to a fan was killed in a fight during the game outside the stadium.


Seriously. Worst stadium I've been to in terms of interactions with the other fans. Every game I've been to there someone has tried to start with me. Ended up punching a guy in the bleachers there in 2012. Him and his friends then tried following me out of the stadium.



I didn't have any problems with the fans around me, the 1 time I just ordered 2 beers at a beer tub stand when a fight broke out right behind me and the beer vendor hopped over the beer tub and started breaking up the fight. I'm standing there with the 2 beers I asked for which were unpaid for watching him try to break up the fight. I took the beers and walked away, I told the people sitting around me what happened and they were like that happens every Friday night



so we should go there, someone order two beers, and two of us behind that dude will start a "fight". Dude walks away with two freebies.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:41:45

go phils
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:41:46

ed rendell weighs in on next season, which brings up the question: does the daily news employ any editors?

EARLIER THIS WEEK, I was listening to the radio and a song came on by Timbuk 3 titled, "The Future's So Bright." Truth be told, the song is fairly crappy, but it has one great lyric, "the future's so bright, I gotta wear shades."


They should jettison their older retreads who have no future (Aaron Harang, Chad Billingsley, Dustin McGowan, Jerome Williams, Domonic Brown and even the gallant Jeff Francoeur).


My roster would feature three catchers: Cameron Rupp, Tommy Joseph (24) and Andrew Knapp (who turns 24 next month). One of them, probably Joseph, also will need to learn how to play first base.


At first base would be Darren Ruff (29), whose play in the last month convinces me he deserves a full year as an everyday starter.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:46:35

I guess the same question applies to BSG.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:50:38

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Oct 03, 2015 13:03:20

I heard on one the sports talk stations - that the Phils announced they won't be doing much in FA. I've also seen where many on BSG have suggested going after Heyward.

Assuming he'd even want to come here to be part of a rebuild, what would it take to sign him in terms of years, money, ntc, etc...? and... is it pretty much now a 0% chance because of the Phils stated position?

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby smitty » Sat Oct 03, 2015 13:15:56

I think the play is to spend next season evaluating. Don't worry about Free Agents until you know what the kids can do. After 2016, get FAs or Cubans to strengthen the weak spots.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Wheels Tupay » Sat Oct 03, 2015 13:42:41

JFLNYC wrote:I guess the same question applies to BSG.


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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Bill McNeal » Sat Oct 03, 2015 14:05:27

smitty wrote:I think the play is to spend next season evaluating. Don't worry about Free Agents until you know what the kids can do. After 2016, get FAs or Cubans to strengthen the weak spots.


Yeah, I like this approach. If I'm running the team, I'd try to hang around the edges of fa and see if someone you like can be gotten on favorable terms, if not then go for some buy low guys on short term deals and hope you can flip someone at the deadline next year. Wrt to freeman, he's good and all, but with the quantity of OF's we have getting close, I'd rather give them a year in the bigs next year to see what we've got and then address any gaps in fa next year.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Bill McNeal » Sat Oct 03, 2015 14:06:22

ReadingPhilly wrote:ed rendell weighs in on next season, which brings up the question: does the daily news employ any editors?

EARLIER THIS WEEK, I was listening to the radio and a song came on by Timbuk 3 titled, "The Future's So Bright." Truth be told, the song is fairly crappy, but it has one great lyric, "the future's so bright, I gotta wear shades."


They should jettison their older retreads who have no future (Aaron Harang, Chad Billingsley, Dustin McGowan, Jerome Williams, Domonic Brown and even the gallant Jeff Francoeur).


My roster would feature three catchers: Cameron Rupp, Tommy Joseph (24) and Andrew Knapp (who turns 24 next month). One of them, probably Joseph, also will need to learn how to play first base.


At first base would be Darren Ruff (29), whose play in the last month convinces me he deserves a full year as an everyday starter.


Can't stand that they put him one csn and in the paper. Guy is the voice of the mouth breathers.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Sat Oct 03, 2015 14:08:43

Heyward is really unique though. They likely won't get a shot at a really good 26 year old FA again during their next run. I hope they go all out for him.

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