smitty wrote:

WilliamC wrote:So glad that he is gone.

He did do a few nice things but he was generally terrible and a huge ass while doing things terribly.

He added Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, Pedro to the starting staff. Has everyone forgotten that? Three division titles in a row, winning more games each year. Won a bunch of playoff games.

Phils had some bad luck and poor drafts. Didn't make any more good trades. Team got old in a hurry. Amaro gets the blame because he was the boss. I'm also glad he's gone. But let's not forget he started off very well.

Agree.

He put together the best team in baseball in 2010 and definitely 2011. If Hamels didn't hit the buffet circuit so hard after 2008, they go back to back in 2009.

Amaro didn't cut the cord on guys who were icons here but clearly on the downside. A lot of that wasn't even his decision. He 100% deserved to get fired, but did have a great 3 year stretch from 2009-11.

smitty wrote:

WilliamC wrote:So glad that he is gone.

He did do a few nice things but he was generally terrible and a huge ass while doing things terribly.

He added Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, Pedro to the starting staff. Has everyone forgotten that? Three division titles in a row, winning more games each year. Won a bunch of playoff games.

Phils had some bad luck and poor drafts. Didn't make any more good trades. Team got old in a hurry. Amaro gets the blame because he was the boss. I'm also glad he's gone. But let's not forget he started off very well.

I think it would be very easy to argue that a team doesn't really become a GMs for a few years. So yes, it took him a while to fuck up the best team in baseball, a team full of youngish players. It would have been impossible for him to not win a ton of games the first few years. But this has all been argued to death, so I'm just going to enjoy his absence (assuming he isn't given a lifetime contract as the Phillies' assistant to the assistant of the assistant GM)

Brantt wrote:

smitty wrote:

WilliamC wrote:So glad that he is gone.

He did do a few nice things but he was generally terrible and a huge ass while doing things terribly.

He added Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, Pedro to the starting staff. Has everyone forgotten that? Three division titles in a row, winning more games each year. Won a bunch of playoff games.

Phils had some bad luck and poor drafts. Didn't make any more good trades. Team got old in a hurry. Amaro gets the blame because he was the boss. I'm also glad he's gone. But let's not forget he started off very well.

Agree.

He put together the best team in baseball in 2010 and definitely 2011. If Hamels didn't hit the buffet circuit so hard after 2008, they go back to back in 2009.

Amaro didn't cut the cord on guys who were icons here but clearly on the downside. A lot of that wasn't even his decision. He 100% deserved to get fired, but did have a great 3 year stretch from 2009-11.

Oh fuck off already. The ridiculous BABIP/flukishness of that season has been discussed ad nauseum. His 2009 FIP was identical to his 2008 FIP.

that's so brantt

I mean, we lost because Lidge's arm fell off, the team got the flu and Pedro basically died, Hideki Mat fucking sui, A-Rod remembering you're supposed to keep playing baseball in October and finally because in game 2 we got the unhittable version of Burnett instead of the 5 runs in the first version of Burnett.

Amaro caused 12 post game threads.

I'm still sad about 2009.

Gimpy wrote:I'm still sad about 2010

Sigh

Soren wrote:I mean, we lost because Lidge's arm fell off, the team got the flu and Pedro basically died, Hideki Mat fucking sui, A-Rod remembering you're supposed to keep playing baseball in October and finally because in game 2 we got the unhittable version of Burnett instead of the 5 runs in the first version of Burnett.

At least the blankets the Yankees gave them were only infected with the flu and not smallpox.

Feliz's 8th inning home run in game 4 forever

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:

Gimpy wrote:I'm still sad about 2010

Sigh

And the 1-0 loss in 2011.

You know, we had some gut punches those years, but man we got some great baseball. And now we have an exciting future with some quality prospects (including Eickhoff being just a straight up boss tonight) and an impending number one pick. I love this team.

Gimpy wrote:

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:

Gimpy wrote:I'm still sad about 2010

Sigh

And the 1-0 loss in 2011.

You know, we had some gut punches those years, but man we got some great baseball. And now we have an exciting future with some quality prospects (including Eickhoff being just a straight up boss tonight) and an impending number one pick. I love this team.

Amen. Excited about the future.

supposedly, the most predictive of pitching stats are k-bb% and siera
among all mlb starting pitchers with 30+ innings pitched (219 pitchers)...
nola and eickhoff both are in the top quartile in k-bb%;
nola is in the top quartile in siera;
eickhoff is in the top third in siera.
just among the subset of those pitchers 25 and under (75 pitchers)...
nola is again in the top quartile in both stats;
eickhoff is in the top third in both stats.

this bodes well.

also of interest...
among 200ish relievers with 30+ innings, giles is in the top quartile in both stats and in the top 3rd of the 30ish 25 and unders

also of interest...
according to baseball reference, asher and morgan have pitched in the 2nd and 3rd worst run-prevention circumstances (park, defense, opponents) of all 370ish non-rockies national league pitchers. this is the main reason both fwar and bwar give morgan positive war values (0.4 and 1.0 respectively). if this is right, and morgan still has some post-injury improvement coming, the phils already are more than halfway to a good rotation, with thompson, eflin, lively, pinto, and kilome not so far from being ready to audition. so far, no fancy stats have found a way to make asher or buchanan positives, but, who knows...

Altherr is up to 252/333/533 with a 131 wrc+

Nola officially shut down for the season. No innings limit next year

Phils and Barves both lost yesterday, so the magic number is down to:

Since searching "Nola" is going to yield 1,000+ results, can someone briefly explain to me what the rationale was in bringing him up this year? Wouldn't they have been better off waiting until a few weeks in next April like the Cubs did with Bryant to delay his clock one more year?

What am I missing?

Think it was an effort to maintain at least a modicum of interest in the team during a catastrophic year and help turn the page. Probably short sighted but it's unsurprising move for the franchise

Thanks.

That's pretty much what I thought. Stuff like that is why I'm not as hopeful about the future of this franchise.

The guy was controlling every level of the minors. Couldn't keep em down longer

they just hired a new president and fired Amaro and as karn said, the team completely sucks.

Also, Bryant was a consensus top prospect and the Cubs were 1000X closer to competing for a championship at this point last year than the Phillies are now. Nola was their best SP since the Hamels trade and he's probably going to be their best SP when camp breaks next spring. They need to put a competitive team on the field at some point.