Shore wrote:

Squire wrote:In the scheme of things you have 3 pitchers in Nola, Eickhoff and Morgan who have been at least B/B+ performers this year and may even get better.

Sell me on Morgan - as it stands, I'm not a fan. Change my mind, please...

td11 wrote:

phorever wrote:continuing my neverending search for silver linings during the march to 100 losses...
here are some notable excerpts from the fangraphs list of 74 mlb hitters 24 and under with 50 or more pa's in 2015, sorted by wrc+ :
rank wrc+ name
6 139 bryant
7 138 grichuk
9 137 schwarber
11 135 d.santana
12 133 correa
14 132 piscotty
17 125 franco
19 119 joc pederson
21 116 betts
25 112 bogaerts
26 112 puig
29 110 altherr
31 106 herrera
35 102 lamb
38 97 soler
42 95 y.tomas
44 93 polanco
45 92 villar
46 92 deshields
47 87 a.russel
50 84 swihart
51 84 gallo

some possible conclusions:
(a) trout and harper are so scary they aren't worth listing, but their teams still are surprisingly sucky
(b) cubs and cards are scary.
(c) franco wasn't too far off the pace of the elite rookies when he went down.
(d) d.santana may still turn out to be the prospect we most regret trading away during the amaro years.
(e) "bring me any cuban" strategy may not be as good a strategy as it seems, given that altherr and herrera are beating out the headliners from the previous couple of waves of the cuban invasion, and at a vastly lower cost.
(f) several of the headline prospects of the hamels trade rumor mill are starting to look pretty overrated compared to what we already had and the hamels trade package we actually got.

did not realize Santana had actually put together a pretty good year at the major league level this year. still only 22 too

Bucky wrote:

Shore wrote:

Squire wrote:In the scheme of things you have 3 pitchers in Nola, Eickhoff and Morgan who have been at least B/B+ performers this year and may even get better.

Sell me on Morgan - as it stands, I'm not a fan. Change my mind, please...

his motion is identical to cliff lee's!

MoBettle wrote:

td11 wrote:

phorever wrote:continuing my neverending search for silver linings during the march to 100 losses...
here are some notable excerpts from the fangraphs list of 74 mlb hitters 24 and under with 50 or more pa's in 2015, sorted by wrc+ :
rank wrc+ name
6 139 bryant
7 138 grichuk
9 137 schwarber
11 135 d.santana
12 133 correa
14 132 piscotty
17 125 franco
19 119 joc pederson
21 116 betts
25 112 bogaerts
26 112 puig
29 110 altherr
31 106 herrera
35 102 lamb
38 97 soler
42 95 y.tomas
44 93 polanco
45 92 villar
46 92 deshields
47 87 a.russel
50 84 swihart
51 84 gallo

some possible conclusions:
(a) trout and harper are so scary they aren't worth listing, but their teams still are surprisingly sucky
(b) cubs and cards are scary.
(c) franco wasn't too far off the pace of the elite rookies when he went down.
(d) d.santana may still turn out to be the prospect we most regret trading away during the amaro years.
(e) "bring me any cuban" strategy may not be as good a strategy as it seems, given that altherr and herrera are beating out the headliners from the previous couple of waves of the cuban invasion, and at a vastly lower cost.
(f) several of the headline prospects of the hamels trade rumor mill are starting to look pretty overrated compared to what we already had and the hamels trade package we actually got.

did not realize Santana had actually put together a pretty good year at the major league level this year. still only 22 too

The mistake that keeps on kicking us in the nuts

Grotewold wrote:If trading a potential all star -- who has now been discarded by two teams, fwiw -- for an actual all star is fireable, there wouldn't be many working GMs

Grotewold wrote:I can't remember whether administrative error was verified. If so, yeah, awful. But neither the Houston trade nor any of the others really are why we sunk to these depths.

And I don't say that to excuse Amaro -- it's actually pretty unbelievable how few of our prospects have panned out over the last 10 years.

td11 wrote:

Grotewold wrote:I can't remember whether administrative error was verified. If so, yeah, awful. But neither the Houston trade nor any of the others really are why we sunk to these depths.

And I don't say that to excuse Amaro -- it's actually pretty unbelievable how few of our prospects have panned out over the last 10 years.

Amaro and co. vehemently denied that it was due to admin error, iirc

gr wrote:yes, that's the kicker. he was mistakenly included as a PTBNL. the crime wasn't in trading him, its how he was traded, by administrative error.

he's still young, but his good season was 109 ABs for Milwaukee. Not that our OF is any good, but jury's still out whether we goofed on the next george bell.

BigEd76 wrote:Frenchy told Steaks there's mutual interest with the club to return next season. yay guys?