The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Slowhand » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:10:57

Bill McNeal wrote:
Mackanin criticized Herrera by saying, “You’ve got to play like a man.” He said, “Boys play Little League and men play Major League Baseball.”

its not even implied, Pete specifically said boys play little league men play in the MLB.


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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:17:26

What a long strange career that guy had.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby bleh » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:17:32

Why does Crashburn refer to Mackanin as "he"? Is he implying that only men can manage a baseball team? He should only use gender neutral pronouns when referring to any baseball activity.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Soren » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:48:04

Olivia Meadows, your "emotional poltergeist"

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Shore » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:49:15

bleh wrote:Why does Crashburn refer to Mackanin as "he"? Is he implying that only men can manage a baseball team? He should only use gender neutral pronouns when referring to any baseball activity.


Why does bleh refer to Crashburn as "He"? We should use a non-traditional, gender neutral pronoun, like "Thon"1. Examples: Thon likes to hear thonself talk. Thon is holier than thon.








1 - per Wiki, proposed in 1884 by American lawyer Charles Crozat Converse. Reference: "Epicene". The Mavens' Word of the Day. Random House. 1998-08-12. Retrieved 2006-12-20. -

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Bucky » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:51:55

thon :(

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby GrizzledVeteran » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:14:33

Bucky wrote:thon :(

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Sep 22, 2015 15:23:47

Todd Zolecki ‏@ToddZolecki
Phillies have extended the contract of Pete Mackanin as manager through the 2016 season. The extension includes a club option for 2017.

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Sep 22, 2015 17:00:47

Mack says Maik and Howard are likely done for the season

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Sep 22, 2015 22:11:11

Barves win!

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby phorever » Wed Sep 23, 2015 05:48:22

continuing my neverending search for silver linings during the march to 100 losses...
here are some notable excerpts from the fangraphs list of 74 mlb hitters 24 and under with 50 or more pa's in 2015, sorted by wrc+ :
rank wrc+ name
6 139 bryant
7 138 grichuk
9 137 schwarber
11 135 d.santana
12 133 correa
14 132 piscotty
17 125 franco
19 119 joc pederson
21 116 betts
25 112 bogaerts
26 112 puig
29 110 altherr
31 106 herrera
35 102 lamb
38 97 soler
42 95 y.tomas
44 93 polanco
45 92 villar
46 92 deshields
47 87 a.russel
50 84 swihart
51 84 gallo

some possible conclusions:
(a) trout and harper are so scary they aren't worth listing, but their teams still are surprisingly sucky
(b) cubs and cards are scary.
(c) franco wasn't too far off the pace of the elite rookies when he went down.
(d) d.santana may still turn out to be the prospect we most regret trading away during the amaro years.
(e) "bring me any cuban" strategy may not be as good a strategy as it seems, given that altherr and herrera are beating out the headliners from the previous couple of waves of the cuban invasion, and at a vastly lower cost.
(f) several of the headline prospects of the hamels trade rumor mill are starting to look pretty overrated compared to what we already had and the hamels trade package we actually got.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Squire » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:44:22

Good stuff. I am eager to see what Altherr can do with a full season playing with some better lineup protection in Franco. In the scheme of things you have 3 pitchers in Nola, Eickhoff and Morgan who have been at least B/B+ performers this year and may even get better. I think Asche and Sweeney and Rupp are ultimately bench players but I don't mind having them around at all.

Hope we continue our charge to the top of the draft. I want it all. First pick. largest draft slot, largest international pool, first pick in the Rule 5 draft. All of it.

Don't know if we will be active in the Free agent market. Is it possible we will just release Howard? Our obligation is down to 35 Million right?

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby BigEd76 » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:06:01

MacPhail said yesterday they'll look for supporting players but aren't in a position to make a huge splash yet

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby stevemc » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:23:26

BigEd76 wrote:MacPhail said yesterday they'll look for supporting players but aren't in a position to make a huge splash yet


I do like his "caveat" though:

"The only caveat I give you is that if there's a unique opportunity out there, I wouldn't want to preclude it from happening … particularly when you consider that once we get to '17 we are really pretty footloose and fancy free. We have a lot of latitude."

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby phorever » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:26:16

positive value phillies mlb players 26 and under continue to total around 14 bwar.
they currently project to around 32 bwar over a full season in their current roles at their 2015 production rate, good enough for 80 wins.

both bwar and fwar really, really like herrera and altherr and giles and franco , make all of rupp, nola, eickhoff, and morgan look better than i expected. c.hernandez and galvis and sweeney (and brown and ruf, who aren't in the age range i'm using) and the other young relievers are "meh", and asche and asher and buchanan are war sinkholes.

so 80 wins just replacing the dreck with replacement. the rest comes down to how much net positive or negative comes from adding the aa studs while subtracting regression by the mlb youth.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Wheels Tupay » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:37:33

stevemc wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:MacPhail said yesterday they'll look for supporting players but aren't in a position to make a huge splash yet


I do like his "caveat" though:

"The only caveat I give you is that if there's a unique opportunity out there, I wouldn't want to preclude it from happening … particularly when you consider that once we get to '17 we are really pretty footloose and fancy free. We have a lot of latitude."


So we are signing heyward and a bunch of aaron harang types and hope to flip at the deadline.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby Shore » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:54:04

Squire wrote:In the scheme of things you have 3 pitchers in Nola, Eickhoff and Morgan who have been at least B/B+ performers this year and may even get better.


Sell me on Morgan - as it stands, I'm not a fan. Change my mind, please...

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby joe table » Wed Sep 23, 2015 13:11:23

Yeah morgan is AAAA slop to me. Sucks he got hurt because he apparently used to have a sharp slider

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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Sep 23, 2015 13:17:23

IMO Morgan projects to Rheal Cormier.
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Re: The future is Nola-nger so far away: Phillies thoughts

Postby td11 » Wed Sep 23, 2015 13:18:10

phorever wrote:continuing my neverending search for silver linings during the march to 100 losses...
here are some notable excerpts from the fangraphs list of 74 mlb hitters 24 and under with 50 or more pa's in 2015, sorted by wrc+ :
rank wrc+ name
6 139 bryant
7 138 grichuk
9 137 schwarber
11 135 d.santana
12 133 correa
14 132 piscotty
17 125 franco
19 119 joc pederson
21 116 betts
25 112 bogaerts
26 112 puig
29 110 altherr
31 106 herrera
35 102 lamb
38 97 soler
42 95 y.tomas
44 93 polanco
45 92 villar
46 92 deshields
47 87 a.russel
50 84 swihart
51 84 gallo

some possible conclusions:
(a) trout and harper are so scary they aren't worth listing, but their teams still are surprisingly sucky
(b) cubs and cards are scary.
(c) franco wasn't too far off the pace of the elite rookies when he went down.
(d) d.santana may still turn out to be the prospect we most regret trading away during the amaro years.
(e) "bring me any cuban" strategy may not be as good a strategy as it seems, given that altherr and herrera are beating out the headliners from the previous couple of waves of the cuban invasion, and at a vastly lower cost.
(f) several of the headline prospects of the hamels trade rumor mill are starting to look pretty overrated compared to what we already had and the hamels trade package we actually got.


did not realize Santana had actually put together a pretty good year at the major league level this year. still only 22 too
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