Marlins lock up Greg Dobbs for next year *finally*

http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/9/26 ... 2014-saved

Dobbs’ signing leaves Placido Polanco, pitcher Chad Qualls (who got the win Wednesday) and outfielders Juan Pierre and Austin Kearns as the Marlins’ free agents.

Shore wrote:

smitty wrote:It would be kewl if the Phils signed a 29 year old pitcher who mostly has had ERAs in the high 4's to the low 6's for the last five seasons and who has also been hurt a lot.

Someone like Francisco Liriano.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... fr01.shtml

Jeff would start a really awesome thread about how dumb Amaro is and we'd have fun all year.

That would be kewl.

He was 11th in the Cy Young in 2010.

If there's anyone in the top 11 of either league Cy Young balloting from 2011, who has averaged more than a strikeout per inning in 140 starts, and is under 30, that we can sign for like 2 years / $12M, I think Jeff'd be OK with it.

Brett Myers finished 10th in the Cy Young that year. Didn't remember that. Wow. Michael young was an All star and got MVP votes in 2011. WGAFF.

Liriano had a 5.09; 5.34 and 5.40 ERA for the last three seasons before this one. He walked like five guys per nine. I don't know what his WAR was but I doubt it was good.

He was hurt a lot.

And this is my point. There are always guys who stink who get signed by teams. Once in a while it works out. Especially for one season. It would be kewl if the Phils signed someone like that for next year.

smitty wrote:09; 5.34 and 5.40 ERA for the last three seasons before this one. He walked like five guys per nine. I don't know what his WAR was but I doubt it was good.

I think you're a little confused by his multiple lines on BBREF - he had a 5.34 ERA in 2012 pitching for two teams (5.31 for MIN and 5.40 for CHW), and a 5.09 in 2011 (MIN). In 2010, he went 14-10, 3.62 ERA, walked 2.7 per 9, whiffed 9.4 per nine, and led the league in fewest homers per 9.

So, he sucked for 2 years, after being pretty damned good the year before. But even when he sucked, he struck out 279 guys in 291 innings. Not every "bad" pitcher is the same, nor do they have equal chances of turning in a "surprise" year.

Selig is officially announcing that 2014 will be his final season. yay guys

commissioner joe torre. yay?

1 wrote:commissioner joe torre. yay?

antitrust your stuff

Shore wrote:

smitty wrote:09; 5.34 and 5.40 ERA for the last three seasons before this one. He walked like five guys per nine. I don't know what his WAR was but I doubt it was good.

I think you're a little confused by his multiple lines on BBREF - he had a 5.34 ERA in 2012 pitching for two teams (5.31 for MIN and 5.40 for CHW), and a 5.09 in 2011 (MIN). In 2010, he went 14-10, 3.62 ERA, walked 2.7 per 9, whiffed 9.4 per nine, and led the league in fewest homers per 9.

So, he sucked for 2 years, after being pretty damned good the year before. But even when he sucked, he struck out 279 guys in 291 innings. Not every "bad" pitcher is the same, nor do they have equal chances of turning in a "surprise" year.

Yeah. I'm rushing around today and it's tough to concentrate. Anyways he also sucked in 2009 with a 5.80 ERa. He struck out a lot of guys and walked a lot of guys and had a lot of guys on base and was hurt a lot for three out of four years. Not all bad pitchers are the same. But they all have a lot of negatives. A few of them have a good year or two they can surprise you with at some point. Liriano. Vogelsong. There are a few guys like this every year. Very few have much good to say about these guys when they are signed.

The point I made stands. There are guys who suck for a while then do good for a year or two. Some stay good. It would be kewl if we stumbled upon a starter like that for next year.

What's the deal with Jared Cosart? 10 starts. 1.95 ERA. 60 IP. 33 Ks. 35 BBs.

Does he stink or not?

Big guy. Throws real hard. Has never struck out guys like you'd think he should. Lacks command of his control. Ethan Martin with a good ERA? Not really. Martin strikes guys out. Martin also catches too much plate at times and has his pitches clubbed. I think guys are having problems squaring up Cosart so far. Can he sustain that?

BigEd76 wrote:Selig is officially announcing that 2014 will be his final season. yay guys

Sad thing is Selig may be the best of the 4 major league commissioners.

Hope the first thing the new commish does is eliminate the 2nd WC

Pretty sure you'll be disappointed then.

I hope the new commissioner deals with arrogant jerk umpires. But it may be that I listen to Larry Anderson too much.

Wheels Tupay wrote:Hope the first thing the new commish does is eliminate the 2nd WC

I would like to see it expanded to a three game series in the home park of the team with the better record. Also, let regular season head-to-heads break ties - you play 162 games, they should count for as much as possible.

Selig is also much better than the clowns who run Fifa. Like anyone ever thought having the World Cup in Qatar was a good idea.

http://www.theguardian.com/global-devel ... bour-abuse

Read that as the equator

On another topic, how does the "journalist" who wrote this make such an obvious mistake--things like this only happen in Philadelphia, not in places with nice fans like San Francisco with all those cute kayakers going after balls.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-l ... --mlb.html

So clearly, it happened on Sunday, and the murdered fan was wearing a Mets Jersey.

TenuredVulture wrote:Selig is also much better than the clowns who run Fifa. Like anyone ever thought having the World Cup in Qatar was a good idea.

http://www.theguardian.com/global-devel ... bour-abuse

Having the World Cup in Qatar really moved FIFA...to a BIGGER HOUSE!

cano looking for a 10 year $305 million deal.

i nearly choked when i read that

There is a baseball player with 490 plate appearance this year, holding an OBP of .229.

It's whale season, fellas.

DUCK Season!

smitty wrote:

Shore wrote:

smitty wrote:09; 5.34 and 5.40 ERA for the last three seasons before this one. He walked like five guys per nine. I don't know what his WAR was but I doubt it was good.

I think you're a little confused by his multiple lines on BBREF - he had a 5.34 ERA in 2012 pitching for two teams (5.31 for MIN and 5.40 for CHW), and a 5.09 in 2011 (MIN). In 2010, he went 14-10, 3.62 ERA, walked 2.7 per 9, whiffed 9.4 per nine, and led the league in fewest homers per 9.

So, he sucked for 2 years, after being pretty damned good the year before. But even when he sucked, he struck out 279 guys in 291 innings. Not every "bad" pitcher is the same, nor do they have equal chances of turning in a "surprise" year.

Yeah. I'm rushing around today and it's tough to concentrate. Anyways he also sucked in 2009 with a 5.80 ERa. He struck out a lot of guys and walked a lot of guys and had a lot of guys on base and was hurt a lot for three out of four years. Not all bad pitchers are the same. But they all have a lot of negatives. A few of them have a good year or two they can surprise you with at some point. Liriano. Vogelsong. There are a few guys like this every year. Very few have much good to say about these guys when they are signed.

The point I made stands. There are guys who suck for a while then do good for a year or two. Some stay good. It would be kewl if we stumbled upon a starter like that for next year.

You know what Liriano has done every year he's been in the league? Miss bats. He has the highest swinging strike percentage of any SP in MLB in the last 5 years. Those are the guys you "stumble" on to and they work out. He has had other issues (injuries, command) but if you can miss bats, you have a chance. That is the most important skill of any. John Lannan-like pitchers can never stumble on to great year.