so you would take josh donaldson over miggy at 3b this year? because i sure as fuck wouldn't!

Chris Davis hit his 51st homer yesterday, breaking the Orioles single season homerun record

Soren wrote:I'm not going to argue that Cabrera is a gold glover but he's on a historically awesome stretch hitting wise and we're taking a huge chunk of his value out because of a loosely defined and unreliable fielding statistic.

We should probably just throw out defense because it's not as easy to measure as counting the number of homeruns.

td11 wrote:so you would take josh donaldson over miggy at 3b this year? because i sure as fuck wouldn't!

Charles Bukowski - "The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence."

Houston clinched 100+ losses for the 3rd consecutive year. Other teams to do it:

1909-1912 Boston Doves/Rustlers/Braves
1910-1912 St. Louis Browns
1919-1921 Philadelphia A's
1922-1924 Boston Braves
1925-1927 Red Sox
1938-1942 PHILLIES
1952-1954 Pirates
1961-1964 Washington Senators*
1962-1965 Mets*
1977-1979 Blue Jays*
2004-2006 Royals

* = their streak started when they were an expansion team

BigEd76 wrote:1938-1942 PHILLIES

Thanks Amaro Sr.

(wait no, too early. maybe his dad?)

It's been over 100 years since the Yankees, Dodgers or Cardinals lost 100+ games in any season. Maybe smitty remembers those teams

The Reds have only lost 100+ once in their long franchise history (1982)

Without cheating, can anyone guess the two franchises that have never lost 100+ in any season?

td11 wrote:so you would take josh donaldson over miggy at 3b this year? because i sure as fuck wouldn't!

depends on the needs of the team.

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:so you would take josh donaldson over miggy at 3b this year? because i sure as fuck wouldn't!

Charles Bukowski - "The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence."

no u

td11 wrote:

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:so you would take josh donaldson over miggy at 3b this year? because i sure as fuck wouldn't!

Charles Bukowski - "The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence."

no u

maybe

Cabrera is pretty bad at defense, are we really having this argument? He's hilarious in the field.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Cabrera is pretty bad at defense, are we really having this argument? He's hilarious in the field.

I think he's even with Ryan Zimmerman, per fWAR defense values at 3B.

Werthless wrote:

Soren wrote:I'm not going to argue that Cabrera is a gold glover but he's on a historically awesome stretch hitting wise and we're taking a huge chunk of his value out because of a loosely defined and unreliable fielding statistic.

We should probably just throw out defense because it's not as easy to measure as counting the number of homeruns.

right, that's exactly what I said

1) Chicks dig the long ball

2) My premise isn't that defensive metrics should be completely abandoned/discounted. My premise is that they're an inexact science at the moment. I'm uncomfortable with saying the best hitter in baseball this year has his value that significantly downgraded by his (lack of) defensively ability.

Since nobody cares about the trivia:

BigEd76 wrote:Since nobody cares about the trivia:

[Reveal] Spoiler:

Angels and Rockies

One of those two teams won 86 games in its second year of existence and finished third in a ten team league. Yowsa. They have had some bad teams but never seem to be terrible awful bad and never for too long.

Gosh I wish KC had swept its series with Cleveland.

On 100 losses: I looked it up once, and although of course the aforementioned teams are better than the Phils in this regard, the Phillies have one of the longer streaks in baseball of NOT losing 100 games. They haven't lost 100 since 1961 (after losing 100 seemingly all the time before that - back when this was really hard to do, since teams only played 154 games before 1962 in the NL). The Phils also have one of the longest active streaks of not being no-hit. I think only the Cubs have a longer active not-no-hit streak than the Phillies, and the Reds if you discount them being no-hit in the postseason (as individual stats compiled in the post-season do not get added to career totals; the Reds were last no-hit in the regular season in 1971).

Strange that the Phils, Reds, and Cubs are are at the top of the not no-hit list, considering how many bad teams each franchise has fielded. The Cubs were no-hit twice in three weeks in 1965 - but not since. It's worth noting that the Pirates, who got no-hit in September of last year (by the Reds), hadn't been no-hit in 40 years prior to that, even with 20 straight losing seasons included in the stretch from 1972-2011. The Phillies haven't been no-hit in my lifetime (April of 78 was the last time; I was born in August of that year). The Yankees have been no hit once since 1958 - and that was by a quintet of pitchers on the Houston Astros. The last complete game no-hitter tossed against the Yankees was by Hoyt Wilhelm in September of 1958.

And in looking something up for this post, I finally answered a question for myself that i'd had for a long time: YES, the AL did play a 162 game schedule in 1961 while the NL played a 154 game schedule (the Angels & New Senators being added to the AL 1 year before the Mets & Colt .45s).

Small victories. I love 'em.

swishnicholson wrote:

LOL LOL LOL LOL

Soren wrote:

Grotewold wrote:Cabrera now trails Josh Donaldson in third basemen fWAR

entirely because of Cabrera's -16 fielding WAR and -3.4 base running WAR. Cabrera beats him in wOBA by 0.80+ points and in wRC+ by about 50 points. In summary, fWAR blows.

Donaldson is beating Cabrera by even more on baseball reference.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagu ... ders.shtml

bWAR: Donaldson is 3.2 wins better than Cabrera on defense, 2.5 wins worse on offense
fWAR: Donaldson is 29 runs better than Cabrera on defense, 28 runs worse on offense