Ruiz is the one who's 35. Much easier to see how that's the problem, and the inability to cheat, than "an off year"

sydnor wrote:Ruiz is the one who's 35. Much easier to see how that's the problem, and the inability to cheat, than "an off year"

Inability? He has an Adderall prescription now. He's 35 yes, but we won't be paying him 17mill a year will we? Your age argument is getting old, either we went with Rupp/Kratz, Chooch or some other old Catcher, McCann was never an option. Perhaps you'd prefer Jose Molina or Pierzynski, maybe Salty or Navarro? The pickings at Catcher were slim and getting younger at the position outside of McCann wasn't happening because the younger guys all stunk.

I would have preferred every one of those options to 3 years 24 million for Chooch. I'd take Choo and Kratz for 21 million or so compared to Ruiz/Byrd at 16 million.

sydnor wrote:I would have preferred every one of those options to 3 years 24 million for Chooch. I'd take Choo and Kratz for 21 million or so compared to Ruiz/Byrd at 16 million.

Choo, who'd we have to give a big multi-year contract to, likely bigger than what McCann got, why don't we sign Ellsbury too and go whole-hog at trying to get back to .500. At least with Chooch we keep a known quantity and pay him an insignificant amount considering our budget. He's back on the Adderall too and it's legal. Sure it's a year too many, but I'd rather have Chooch for 3 than Dioner Navarro, Jose Molina (?!), or big bad AJ. As for Salty, his 29.6 K% and .372 BABIP does not inspire much hope going forward and he'll want much more than Chooch got - but hey we got younger.

Actually I'm appalled that you advocate getting younger and then state you'd rather have Jose fucking Molina (38) or AJ Pierzynski (37) over Chooch (35).

*edit* I'm still shocked that you want Jose Molina over Chooch, Jose fucking Molina, the man who opsed .594, had a wRC+ of 69 and mustered all of 0.2 WAR and is aged 38!!

Everyone wants amaro to get good players but slag on the good players who sign elsewhere.

many also constantly bitch that existing long term contracts to declining players are tying up payroll, but then want to sign flawed FAs to 5+ year contracts at open market dollars, tying up even more future resources for our average at best team

Hell I love the minors and draft. I'd be fully on board with just rebuilding this team in house. Just not sure what some people would do.

etched Chaos wrote:

sydnor wrote:I would have preferred every one of those options to 3 years 24 million for Chooch. I'd take Choo and Kratz for 21 million or so compared to Ruiz/Byrd at 16 million.

Choo, who'd we have to give a big multi-year contract to, likely bigger than what McCann got, why don't we sign Ellsbury too and go whole-hog at trying to get back to .500. At least with Chooch we keep a known quantity and pay him an insignificant amount considering our budget. He's back on the Adderall too and it's legal. Sure it's a year too many, but I'd rather have Chooch for 3 than Dioner Navarro, Jose Molina (?!), or big bad AJ. As for Salty, his 29.6 K% and .372 BABIP does not inspire much hope going forward and he'll want much more than Chooch got - but hey we got younger.

Actually I'm appalled that you advocate getting younger and then state you'd rather have Jose #$!&@ Molina (38) or AJ Pierzynski (37) over Chooch (35).

*edit* I'm still shocked that you want Jose Molina over Chooch, Jose #$!&@ Molina, the man who opsed .594, had a wRC+ of 69 and mustered all of 0.2 WAR and is aged 38!!

I'm gonna be honest with you, etched. I didn't read your post very closely. You don't know much about baseball, you just seem to curse a lot. I didn't see Molina in there. Of course I don't want that Molina.

sydnor wrote:

etched Chaos wrote:

sydnor wrote:I would have preferred every one of those options to 3 years 24 million for Chooch. I'd take Choo and Kratz for 21 million or so compared to Ruiz/Byrd at 16 million.

Choo, who'd we have to give a big multi-year contract to, likely bigger than what McCann got, why don't we sign Ellsbury too and go whole-hog at trying to get back to .500. At least with Chooch we keep a known quantity and pay him an insignificant amount considering our budget. He's back on the Adderall too and it's legal. Sure it's a year too many, but I'd rather have Chooch for 3 than Dioner Navarro, Jose Molina (?!), or big bad AJ. As for Salty, his 29.6 K% and .372 BABIP does not inspire much hope going forward and he'll want much more than Chooch got - but hey we got younger.

Actually I'm appalled that you advocate getting younger and then state you'd rather have Jose #$!&@ Molina (38) or AJ Pierzynski (37) over Chooch (35).

*edit* I'm still shocked that you want Jose Molina over Chooch, Jose #$!&@ Molina, the man who opsed .594, had a wRC+ of 69 and mustered all of 0.2 WAR and is aged 38!!

I'm gonna be honest with you, etched. I didn't read your post very closely. You don't know much about baseball, you just seem to curse a lot. I didn't see Molina in there. Of course I don't want that Molina.

Lol

ReadingPhilly wrote:Hell I love the minors and draft. I'd be fully on board with just rebuilding this team in house. Just not sure what some people would do.

Building in-house is pretty much the only real route out of this mess, loading up on your McCann's and Choo's will just leave us right back where we started the mess; loaded with aging players and their bloated contracts. Going for a big trade is nice, but who can we realistically get without gutting the minors that will be enough of a lynchpin to build around?

td11 wrote:

sydnor wrote:

etched Chaos wrote:

sydnor wrote:I would have preferred every one of those options to 3 years 24 million for Chooch. I'd take Choo and Kratz for 21 million or so compared to Ruiz/Byrd at 16 million.

Choo, who'd we have to give a big multi-year contract to, likely bigger than what McCann got, why don't we sign Ellsbury too and go whole-hog at trying to get back to .500. At least with Chooch we keep a known quantity and pay him an insignificant amount considering our budget. He's back on the Adderall too and it's legal. Sure it's a year too many, but I'd rather have Chooch for 3 than Dioner Navarro, Jose Molina (?!), or big bad AJ. As for Salty, his 29.6 K% and .372 BABIP does not inspire much hope going forward and he'll want much more than Chooch got - but hey we got younger.

Actually I'm appalled that you advocate getting younger and then state you'd rather have Jose #$!&@ Molina (38) or AJ Pierzynski (37) over Chooch (35).

*edit* I'm still shocked that you want Jose Molina over Chooch, Jose #$!&@ Molina, the man who opsed .594, had a wRC+ of 69 and mustered all of 0.2 WAR and is aged 38!!

I'm gonna be honest with you, etched. I didn't read your post very closely. You don't know much about baseball, you just seem to curse a lot. I didn't see Molina in there. Of course I don't want that Molina.

Lol

Good post, td. Really solid contribution as per usual from you. Go argue some more in the politics thread.

Leave td alone, he didn't destroy his reputation as a 'smart baseball fan' by not reading a post .

Everything ok buddy? I was just laughing at you telling ppl they don't know much about baseball. Maybe they should try getting banned from message boards so they can have more free time to learn about baseball

It's not like i missed a post that mattered here, bud. Hell, Molina at 450K probably IS better than Ruiz at 24 million. If you can't compete, which you seem to be espousing as we'd get up to .500, then why spend a dollar on a guy like Ruiz? Why lock up 3 years when maybe we'd be competing in 2015/2016?

I think we can win, if we go big. Signing 2 guys with an average age of 35.5 is not going big.

Also, I've never said I'm a smart fan or more knowledgeable than anyone else, I openly wear my homerism and emotions on my sleeve. If Rube wants to give Doc a 3/30 contract, fuck it, I'm behind it because seeing Doc leave would be heart-breaking, even if he is breaking down and turning into an old Kendricks.

td11 wrote:Everything ok buddy? I was just laughing at you telling ppl they don't know much about baseball. Maybe they should try getting banned from message boards so they can have more free time to learn about baseball

Spending lots of posts on message boards is not necessarily a good way to learn more about baseball. I can help you learn a bit more, but you'd have to really commit to it. Typing lol's a lot, reading reddit, and arguing with jerseyhoya/telling phatj his mother's sexist isn't really a good start.

sydnor wrote:It's not like i missed a post that mattered here, bud. Hell, Molina at 450K probably IS better than Ruiz at 24 million. If you can't compete, which you seem to be espousing as we'd get up to .500, then why spend a dollar on a guy like Ruiz? Why lock up 3 years when maybe we'd be competing in 2015/2016?

I think we can win, if we go big. Signing 2 guys with an average age of 35.5 is not going big.

There you go again with the age obsession, even though you'd happily sign AJ Pierzynski who is 37. Going big works if you don't have a million holes, loading up on Choo, Ellsbury and gutting the system for a big trade sounds great on paper, but then you look at how fucked we are right now and you realise it might not be enough to get us a wildcard berth. Maybe if the stars align we go all WFC on those fucks, but how likely is that?

We're at point where saying 'fuck the future' is suicide, loading up on even more bloated contracts will just bring around that mess again.

sydnor wrote:

td11 wrote:Everything ok buddy? I was just laughing at you telling ppl they don't know much about baseball. Maybe they should try getting banned from message boards so they can have more free time to learn about baseball

Spending lots of posts on message boards is not necessarily a good way to learn more about baseball. I can help you learn a bit more, but you'd have to really commit to it. Typing lol's a lot, reading reddit, and arguing with jerseyhoya/telling phatj his mother's sexist isn't really a good start.

I also post a lot of gifs and butts

etched Chaos wrote:We're at point where saying 'fuck the future' is suicide, loading up on even more bloated contracts will just bring around that mess again.

If we're not trying to compete, Chooch at 3/24 and Byrd at 2/16 are bad decisions. They're old, they take playing time away from ANYONE who might be a solution in 2016, and they keep the team from solving those particular problems in ways that may pay off in 2016 and beyond.

If we ARE trying to compete, Chooch at 3/24 and Byrd at 2/16 are ONLY defensible decisions if they come with Choo and/or Ellsbury, at least one other hitter, a starter, and at least one bullpen arm. Or some other massive set of talent upgrades that add at least 24 wins to our current squad.

If, however, we don't really know what the fuck we're doing, and need to fill RF and C, signing those guys makes perfect sense, as we've crossed those things off of our to-do list, and haven't spent as much as other teams might.

sydnor wrote:I'm gonna be honest with you, etched. I didn't read your post very closely. You don't know much about baseball, you just seem to curse a lot.

This guy is a douchebag.