If we get the impression that they all think he's an idiot, then they probably think he's an idiot

could just be confirmation bias on our part, though. But maybe not

Instead of trading pieces who wouldn't fetch much (e.g., MY10 and Chooch), he held firm and will end up with nothing. He certainly showed his colleagues nobody's gonna push him around.

why is this about standing firm and other ridiculous statements to other gm's? The vast majority of gm's did the same exact thing. he didn't trade guys that wouldn't fetch anything, and decided he could try again at the waiver wire.

The Dude wrote:why is this about standing firm and other ridiculous statements to other gm's? The vast majority of gm's did the same exact thing. he didn't trade guys that wouldn't fetch anything, and decided he could try again at the waiver wire.

Not trading these guys last week doesn't really bother me. It's just another thing. Deconstructing individual moves or non-moves really isn't the point to me. It doesn't get at why I don't like Amaro as a GM.

that's fine, he's not my favorite either. i know we're all bored and frustrated

I heard Amaro used to run a cheese shop.

I was hoping MY10 would get moved, but he didn't. I don't really have a problem with it now, they were going to get pretty much nothing back (whatever) and they are playing young at 1b now so asche can play 3b. It kinda makes sense if you squint a little. The money doesn't matter, asche is playing 3rd, with the injuries on the OF, you need jberry to play the there and with Howard out, you need a 1b, so my10 can play there. This team isn't going anywhere this year anyway, so what does it matter? It's not like my10 at first is blocking a prospect from getting regular time, they want to see if Ruf can play An mlb OF and they already know what he is at first. I just don't see it as a big deal.

A qualifier here though, this is not an endorsement of Rube. I'm just not going to get upset about this because it doesn't matter.

Rob Neyer loves CBP

http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/8/2/ ... -bank-park

The Dude wrote:why is this about standing firm and other ridiculous statements to other gm's? The vast majority of gm's did the same exact thing. he didn't trade guys that wouldn't fetch anything, and decided he could try again at the waiver wire.

Those other GM's have the benefit of not having a team in the meanest, most racist and violent city in North America so they are not under the same scope. Didn't you hear about the time a drunk fan puked on somebody at a game?

Trent Steele wrote:Rob Neyer loves CBP

http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/8/2/ ... -bank-park

He's totally right about PNC

Grotewold wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:Rob Neyer loves CBP

http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/8/2/ ... -bank-park

He's totally right about PNC

Yeah it's tough to get food there when there's a decent crowd, he got coors field 4th, I disagree with that, went to a couple games there and thought it was very plain, nothing stood out except the painted row around the stadium to mark the mile high point. The club section I sat in 1 game didn't have tvs showing the game. I've been to a few parks and I'd rate Coors the worst of the 'newer' parks that I've been too

I forgot he existed.

Only contention is there is a great view of the skyline, but I guess you wouldn't know that if you are field level and don't make your way up the stairwells.

The Dude wrote:basically it was said by "longtime execs" he didn't try hard to trade pieces that would not bring a lot back, excepting the one that he didn't have to trade and wanted people to overpay for. wow, what an asshat

It's less what they said than that they said it. He probably didn't have conversations with that many teams. It'll be clear who said these unflattering things to the press. Somebody just disdains him to the point that they don't care.

But Woody is right that there might be confirmation bias at work here.

dajafi wrote:

The Dude wrote:basically it was said by "longtime execs" he didn't try hard to trade pieces that would not bring a lot back, excepting the one that he didn't have to trade and wanted people to overpay for. wow, what an asshat

It's less what they said than that they said it. He probably didn't have conversations with that many teams. It'll be clear who said these unflattering things to the press. Somebody just disdains him to the point that they don't care.

But Woody is right that there might be confirmation bias at work here.

If a team was interested in a player on the Phillies, Im a sure that team has a phone that works and could make a call.

Mike Miss had him on and was asking him about Young but didn't ask the question I wanted answered: would teams have taken the money back. 2M is not chump change and could help in other places but it would not shock me if teams were unwilling to take it all back. I knew the prospect return would be pitiful (Lindblom and Bonilla), I wanted the money off the books.

The bottom line is that you can not have a payroll as high as Amaro and have the results of the past two seasons. Full Stop. We can debate any individual move (EXCEPTHOWARD,GROTE!) and justify it, but it misses the full picture.

sydnor wrote:Mike Miss had him on and was asking him about Young but didn't ask the question I wanted answered: would teams have taken the money back. 2M is not chump change and could help in other places but it would not shock me if teams were unwilling to take it all back. I knew the prospect return would be pitiful (Lindblom and Bonilla), I wanted the money off the books.

The bottom line is that you can not have a payroll as high as Amaro and have the results of the past two seasons. Full Stop. We can debate any individual move (EXCEPTHOWARD,GROTE!) and justify it, but it misses the full picture.

what does getting 2 million dollars off of the payroll do?

At this point I'm wondering if it can get bad enough that Amaro is fired or resigns

CalvinBall wrote:

sydnor wrote:Mike Miss had him on and was asking him about Young but didn't ask the question I wanted answered: would teams have taken the money back. 2M is not chump change and could help in other places but it would not shock me if teams were unwilling to take it all back. I knew the prospect return would be pitiful (Lindblom and Bonilla), I wanted the money off the books.

The bottom line is that you can not have a payroll as high as Amaro and have the results of the past two seasons. Full Stop. We can debate any individual move (EXCEPTHOWARD,GROTE!) and justify it, but it misses the full picture.

what does getting 2 million dollars off of the payroll do?

2 million we can put towards literally anything else besides flushing it down the toilet. He provides 0 benefit to any longterm aspiration we have. 0.

sydnor wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

sydnor wrote:Mike Miss had him on and was asking him about Young but didn't ask the question I wanted answered: would teams have taken the money back. 2M is not chump change and could help in other places but it would not shock me if teams were unwilling to take it all back. I knew the prospect return would be pitiful (Lindblom and Bonilla), I wanted the money off the books.

The bottom line is that you can not have a payroll as high as Amaro and have the results of the past two seasons. Full Stop. We can debate any individual move (EXCEPTHOWARD,GROTE!) and justify it, but it misses the full picture.

what does getting 2 million dollars off of the payroll do?

2 million we can put towards literally anything else besides flushing it down the toilet. He provides 0 benefit to any longterm aspiration we have. 0.

cmon, he might be a good clubhouse presence for the young fellas and plus we're so banged up right now they really do need enough MLB warm bodies to field a team every night. some of us still watch the games and would prefer not to have to watch a susdorf or mini mart or whoever they fuck get starts for the rest of the season.

god damn it why am i defending michael young