Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest GM?

Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Trent Steele » Thu Aug 01, 2013 22:46:42

blueclaw wrote:Don't know how to post a link from my phone but I didn't notice anyone mentioning the article on ESPN about the Yankees being rebuffed by Smugs. It seems to confirm Heyman's article. Says Ruben told Cashman he couldn't trade Young because he's "my best bat and I don't want to move him". Says Yankees don't anticipate a waiver claim on Young because they don't think he's actually available



The New York Yankees likely will not acquire Michael Young in a waiver deal with the Philadelphia Phillies, according to a source with knowledge of the conversations between the teams on Wednesday afternoon.

Young, 36, has a no-trade clause in his contract but agreed just before Wednesday's non-waiver deadline to approve a possible deal to the Yankees, which failed to materialize.

The source said that although it was communicated about an hour before the 4 p.m. ET deadline that Young had dropped his refusal to be traded to New York, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman ran into a brick wall when he spoke to Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr.


According to the source, Cashman offered Amaro several names in exchange for Young; Amaro replied that the veteran third baseman is "my best bat, and I don't want to move him."

"They were never really close," the source told ESPNNewYork.com Thursday. "It almost seemed like [Young] really wasn't in play."

Cashman could not be reached for comment Thursday, but addressed the Yankees' inactivity at the deadline during a conference call Wednesday.

"It wasn't a deep market at all, number one," Cashman said. "Two, what I was offering obviously wasn't good enough for the opposing teams, and what the teams were offering me wasn't good enough from my perspective."
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby blueclaw » Thu Aug 01, 2013 22:48:02

Wonder how utley and Brown feel about having Ruben rank Young above them?
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby phillies » Thu Aug 01, 2013 22:49:31

ESPN clearly made up the quote. hogwash.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Ace Rothstein » Thu Aug 01, 2013 22:50:40

phillies wrote:ESPN clearly made up the quote. hogwash.



or forgot to put right handed bat

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Trent Steele » Thu Aug 01, 2013 22:50:49

Who knows whether it's real or not. I don't even really care.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby blueclaw » Thu Aug 01, 2013 22:53:22

Maybe Smugs will go on WIP tomorrow and call this guy out too.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby The Dude » Fri Aug 02, 2013 00:04:33

the whole thing is stupid. if true, cashman is as smug as amaro for feeling slighted and not putting in a claim at the waiver wire and trying to work out another deal.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby usctrojans31 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 00:08:41

How great would it be to have Andrew Friedman as GM?

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby smitty » Fri Aug 02, 2013 04:43:17

Fuck Andrew Friedman. Fuck Toe Blake. Fuck old time hockey.

Oops. Thought this was the Slap Shot thread.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Aug 02, 2013 06:49:54

The industry waited all month for the Phillies to decide whether to buy or sell. So shockingly, after an eight-game cliff-dive answered that question for them, they still managed to stagger to the deadline tape without GM Ruben Amaro Jr. pulling off a single deal.

Not Michael Young. Not Carlos Ruiz. Not Papelbon. Not Lee. Not a single name on an aging, disappointing roster ended up moving on up the highway.

"In a way, I get it," one longtime exec said. "I know Ruben is in a tough spot. People there expect a lot. So you can't ever really sell off. But you have to listen, don't you? If somebody will give you something for some of those guys who aren't part of the future, you have to listen. But with some of them, they barely listened."

Other clubs said the Phillies never seemed motivated to trade Ruiz, made minimal effort to deal Young after the Rangers (his preferred destination) said no and appeared to expend surprising effort on deals that had just about no chance of happening -- for Lee and a guy who announced he wouldn't waive his trade-veto rights, Jimmy Rollins.

"It doesn't seem like they ever set a realistic price point for Lee," one NL executive said. "So at that price [starting with Bogaerts for the Red Sox] and no willingness to take any of the money [about $70 million], it was a waste of time to even engage in the conversation."
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby ReadingPhilly » Fri Aug 02, 2013 07:36:22

Warszawa wrote:
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sydnor wrote:Shore, thoughts on McCann being the focus of FA? To the good, he can really hit. To the bad, he will be signed past his 33rd bday and you're skeptical of old catchers. And he's lh.



I like McCann, and even a 5-year deal would only pay him to 34. BUT, if the offseason is "sign McCann, cross fingers", then I don't want him. The LH thing has to be considered, because he's much better against RHP.

But they need to figure out the short- and long-term plans at C, 1B, SS, 3B, RF, and CF. If the C solution is McCann, but the rest is Howard, Rollins, Asche, Revere, and a schlub in RF, no thanks.

The Braves, and Nationals, are better than that team.

I'd rather figure out how we're going to win 95 games in 2015, then how we're going to win 85 in 2014, and hope that's enough for the 2nd wildcard. That will mean tough decisions on Howard, Rollins, etc. And we can't just throw 5 guys out in the pen and hope 3 of them have good years, because relief pitching is some kind of mystery.


Murph basically says we are screwed offensively here, especially if we re-sign utley. Too left handed with the best free agents available also left handed.


Personally think that is way overblown. Could platoon at 1b and C with Ruf and Kratz


at 3b too i guess. don't think charlie is real big on platooning though. maybe sandberg will


if they start passing over good hitters because they're lefthanded we're in trouble. mccann obviously isn't going to play every game, so give kratz the starts against tough lefties. even so mccann's career wrc+ is 99 vs. lhp so i'm not sure it's that big of a deal. choo is awful against lefties, but absolutely mashes righties. i'm guessing you're looking at a contract in the 5/75 range for him. i'd definitely think about it. i like grote's corey hart idea too. who knows what you're going to get out of him or what kind of deal he's going to sign. surgeries to both knees this year has to make you hesitant too.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby dajafi » Fri Aug 02, 2013 07:42:40

Anyone else getting the sense that Amaro's colleagues in the game find him close to unbearable too?

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby bleh » Fri Aug 02, 2013 07:44:05

"but the point remains. Utley is better than Omar Infante, but is the combination of Utley and Hart better than the combination of Infante and Choo?"


Um....yes? Definitely?

Also Chase has a .818 OPS vs lefties this year.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Aug 02, 2013 07:51:53

dajafi wrote:Anyone else getting the sense that Amaro's colleagues in the game find him close to unbearable too?


Let's just say it's a lot easier to be a buyer than a seller. When you're buying and you really want something, you can overpay, which Rube did occasionally (but not always). When you're selling it's not as easy to convince others to overpay.

For example, I know there are those who support Rube for not trading MY10 for "less than he was worth." But we traded Lisalverto Bonilla and Josh Lindblom for Young and a boatload of salary relief to get one year of his services. I'm not sure why anyone would think you'd get much in exchange for 2 months of Young, especially since his full NTC limited the pool of buyers.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby usctrojans31 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 08:49:14

dajafi wrote:Anyone else getting the sense that Amaro's colleagues in the game find him close to unbearable too?


Completely

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby heyeaglefn » Fri Aug 02, 2013 09:02:09

dajafi wrote:Anyone else getting the sense that Amaro's colleagues in the game find him close to unbearable too?

Yes, and just imagine if he was good at his job.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby The Dude » Fri Aug 02, 2013 09:13:02

basically it was said by "longtime execs" he didn't try hard to trade pieces that would not bring a lot back, excepting the one that he didn't have to trade and wanted people to overpay for. wow, what an asshole
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Trent Steele » Fri Aug 02, 2013 09:13:32

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dajafi wrote:Anyone else getting the sense that Amaro's colleagues in the game find him close to unbearable too?

Yes, and just imagine if he was good at his job.


I'd be totally cool with other GMs hating him as long as they respected him as a savvy, intelligent guy. It's not good if they think he is a dope and a smug ass. Then you're just a joke. But who knows.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby bleh » Fri Aug 02, 2013 09:28:46

The NL east execs like him a lot though.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Fri Aug 02, 2013 09:33:24

I feel like I gave Rube the benefit of the doubt a million times over but he just sucks. he doesn't even get Philly fans a little bit if he thinks they'd be upset about trading Mike fuckin Young

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