philliesphhan wrote:

rolex wrote:

Shore wrote:

rolex wrote:

Grotewold wrote:Everything you just cited is on the GM, rolex.

As for the intangible stuff ... even if you're right ... he's been tremendous with that over the years. You really need his head now rather than October?

G, who fills out the lineup card? Who makes the in game moves? You can't hold Amaro responsible for these things. The addition of Mini Mart and not Fields is on Rube but most of the stuff is on Charlie. Yes, I do want him gone now. His lackadaisical attitude towards things is detrimental to the success of the club. Additionally, if/when Amaro does move some of these vets, Charlie is going to raise hell about it. He probably will set their replacement(s) up to fail to show everyone that he knew better.

I'm sure you have examples of this, since it's "probably" going to happen.

Pinch running Mini Mart for Howard. Then, later, with the game on the line it Mini Mart at bat. Then complaining about a lack of offense. Pitching relievers too frequently and then ragging about the weak BP. Really gave Hernandez a shot at 2B. Could have put him in and just played the guy. Instead, he uses him sporadically (shades of D. Brown in the past). He is the best player that the Phillies have at LV.

Barry Jive wrote:I'd prefer they let the most successful manager in the team's history live out his contract since they suck this year anyway. Couldn't blame Chuck if he wanted to jump ship on this disaster though

If Nick Leyva had had the players to use that Manuel has had, we'd be singing the praises of the Great Nick. In the history of the game, few managers have had the lineups to use that Manuel has had here and in Cleveland and done as little with them.

This web site has gone full retard. HE WENT TO BACK-TO-BACK #$!&@ WORLD SERIES and beat out omg playoff genius Joe Torre (and a roided out of his mind Manny Ramirez) in the process to get there. Then in 2010 and 2011, they had the best record in all of baseball which this #$!&@ franchise never even did one time before.

Q: You came here to win. How tough is it to be here on a team that’s spinning its wheels around .500 and has a real uphill road?

A: “The past year and a half hasn’t gone the way I anticipated, but that’s why you play the games. You never know. I don’t think anyone here is happy with the way we’ve played over that time frame. It’s due to a lot of injuries. There’s some good excuses. But they’re still excuses. We’re the Philadelphia Phillies. We should play better than we have. There’s not a good excuse for it, but we have had a lot of key guys injured, so it is what it is.”

Q: As currently constituted, do you think this team can be a playoff team?

A: “What?”

Q: With the current makeup of this team, do you think it can be a playoff team?

A: “I can’t look at it any other way besides I expect us to win and catch up with the Braves and get into the postseason. That’s the only way you can look at it.”

Q: If it doesn’t turn around, do you want to stay?

A: “I definitely want to win. There’s no doubt about that. I want to win. I don’t know how to say it besides that. I want to win.”

Q: If it doesn’t turn around, are you prepared to stay here for two months and play out the string?

A: “I don’t have any control over that. I know that I want to win and I’ll voice that to whoever. And that’s that. I want to win here. That’s why I signed here and that’s where my focus is.”

Q: Are you surprised it’s gone like this the last two seasons?

A: “We had one chance at it in 2½ years. This year is not over yet. I expected to get multiple shots at it. But there are 29 other teams thinking the same thing. So nothing is going to be given to you and nobody feels sorry for you. You’ve got to go earn it. I’m going to keep doing what I can to give this team a chance to win when I pitch and that’s really all I can control.”

JFLNYC wrote:I'm tired of these interviews where the whole point seems to be to get him (or anyone) to say "the team sucks and I want out."

Monkeyboy wrote:I think it's fair to point out that he was given the 3 best players at their position in the history of the franchise, a bunch of really good guys from the scrap heap (vic and werth, etc), and an elite starting pitching staff to work with.

Grotewold wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:I think it's fair to point out that he was given the 3 best players at their position in the history of the franchise, a bunch of really good guys from the scrap heap (vic and werth, etc), and an elite starting pitching staff to work with.

I wouldn't say he was "given" Vic and Werth -- he worked them into the mix gradually and very nicely. Even juggled them in the lineup through the season and playoffs, benching a #S!&@ty veteran in the process.

Grotewold wrote:OK, but when we signed Jenkins and then well into his struggles many here lamented that Charlie would trot him out there no matter what

It would have been really easy to even just platoon them, but instead Manuel told Werth what he needed to do to play every day

Nick Leyva wrote:jenkins wasn't an "established veteran" player, he was a one-year stopgap who was out of baseball the next year. at the time, most would've argued that cholly gave him a longer leash than he deserved.

mcare89 wrote:

Nick Leyva wrote:jenkins wasn't an "established veteran" player, he was a one-year stopgap who was out of baseball the next year. at the time, most would've argued that cholly gave him a longer leash than he deserved.

That's pretty revisionist thinking. For one, they signed him to a two-year deal. Two, he was still an effective player before he got here. (.790 OPS in 2006 and 2007) General reaction was anywhere from good signing to at worst good platoon with Werth.

Nick Leyva wrote:

mcare89 wrote:

Nick Leyva wrote:jenkins wasn't an "established veteran" player, he was a one-year stopgap who was out of baseball the next year. at the time, most would've argued that cholly gave him a longer leash than he deserved.

That's pretty revisionist thinking. For one, they signed him to a two-year deal. Two, he was still an effective player before he got here. (.790 OPS in 2006 and 2007) General reaction was anywhere from good signing to at worst good platoon with Werth.

then the games started

Roger Dorn wrote:This is stupid, the fact that any blame for what's happened the last 1.5 years is being put on Charlie is ludicrous. The playoffs are a crapshoot and everyone knows that, the role of the manager is to maintain a team environment in the clubhouse and not #$!&@ up too many game time decisions. By and large Charlie has done a great job performing these duties, and it's hard to argue otherwise. And really what difference does it make not putting Brown in the cleanup spot? Nobody gets on #$!&@ base anyway.

If Charlie was the manager of the 1996-2001 Yankees who's to say he wouldn't have 4 World Series rings and be in the HOF? Torre got himself into a great situation. Charlie is an easy target because he's a country guy who sounds funny when he talks and its easy for losers to quickly put an "incompetent" label on him. It's probably time for the Phillies and Charlie to part ways after the season because the blame game will get ugly as that dolt Amaro will have his convenient scapegoat in Charlie.