FTN wrote:but he can take howard out of the cleanup spot.
he can manage his bench so that he doesnt have to use pitchers as pinch runners.
he can not play delmon fucking young.

he may not get to pick his 25 players, but rtj doesn't force him to mismanage the guys he has.

Grotewold wrote:
I get it. Just don't think it matters much and that people will probably say the same stuff about Sandberg

Grotewold wrote:

FTN wrote:but he can take howard out of the cleanup spot.
he can manage his bench so that he doesnt have to use pitchers as pinch runners.
he can not play delmon fucking young.

he may not get to pick his 25 players, but rtj doesn't force him to mismanage the guys he has.

Not sure about that Young part

I get it. Just don't think it matters much and that people will probably say the same stuff about Sandberg

"I'm concerned with everybody," Manuel said. "Hey, look, I'm concerned with every [expletive] player I got. Yeah, I'm concerned. I want to win. We say that we want to win the division and we want to go to the World Series, right? I'm concerned about every one of our guys. I'm concerned about that .245 or .248 team batting average. I'm concerned about that.

"I'm not only concerned about one guy, I'm concerned about them all. How about that? I don't know what I can do about it. I can go back to my room and sit there and look at the walls, and get up and come to the ballpark and look at the walls. I don't know what I can do about it. The only thing I can do is to put them out there and let them play."

FTN wrote: will sandberg save everything and make this a 95 win team? probably not. but im not sure he can do much worse than manuel. and sometimes a fresh voice can make a big difference.

Grotewold wrote:

FTN wrote: will sandberg save everything and make this a 95 win team? probably not. but im not sure he can do much worse than manuel. and sometimes a fresh voice can make a big difference.

What if it goes the other way, and the players loyal to Charlie are -- rightly -- furious about him taking the fall on their behalf, and it negatively affects their rapport with Sandberg?

I understand the itchy trigger finger, but Charlie deserves better

JUburton wrote:Poor managing is turning them from a 75 win team to a 72 win team. Whatever.

I got more upset about it when we were fighting for the division or a wildcard. Rearranging deck chairs on the titanic this year.

Grotewold wrote:

FTN wrote:but he can take howard out of the cleanup spot.
he can manage his bench so that he doesnt have to use pitchers as pinch runners.
he can not play delmon #$!&@ young.

he may not get to pick his 25 players, but rtj doesn't force him to mismanage the guys he has.

Not sure about that Young part

I get it. Just don't think it matters much and that people will probably say the same stuff about Sandberg

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JFLNYC wrote:I don't give a crap if it's a 72 or 75 win team. I don't care what players Rube has given him. I don't care what Sandberg might or might not do. Charlie's a professional and, as such, I expect him to pull every lever, throw every switch and do every last little thing in his power to wring every last drop of production and success out of this team. That's his job and he's got to do it to the utmost of his ability, regardless of all other factors. He's captain of the ship and can never, ever not know what to do or give in for a moment to the malaise that seems to have come our the team. It's what I expect of any professional, including myself. All the rest of this stuff is bullshit.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:I don't give a crap if it's a 72 or 75 win team. I don't care what players Rube has given him. I don't care what Sandberg might or might not do. Charlie's a professional and, as such, I expect him to pull every lever, throw every switch and do every last little thing in his power to wring every last drop of production and success out of this team. That's his job and he's got to do it to the utmost of his ability, regardless of all other factors. He's captain of the ship and can never, ever not know what to do or give in for a moment to the malaise that seems to have come our the team. It's what I expect of any professional, including myself. All the rest of this stuff is #$!&@.

I completely agree. Charlie's had a non-chalant attitude all season. Anytime a reporter asked him a question, he'd respond with la-di-da answer or a joke. This is not the same Charlie of last season even when he desperately tried to motivate his players through the media or by rallying the fans to get on them. He's given up.

It's time to move in up to the front office and sit him right next to Dallas Green. The Phillies will take care of him. In the meantime, let Ryne Sandberg do his thing in preparation for next season.