Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

by **Grotewold** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 13:44:51

Everything you just cited is on the GM, rolex.

As for the intangible stuff ... even if you're right ... he's been tremendous with that over the years. You really need his head now rather than October?

by **Bucky** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 14:08:20

i liked your original response better grotes

by **JFLNYC** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 14:30:17

by **Trent Steele** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 14:41:21

FTN wrote:mine lapsed a while ago and i didnt renew

i posted in a thread, maybe it was the draft thread, that we were linked to a 3b who was pretty highly regarded

Rafael Devers Vs. Luis Encarnacion: Scouts Weigh In On Top July 2 Bats

It’s not hard for scouts to find players in the Dominican Republic who yank balls over the fence in batting practice. When it comes to players who showcase promising tools yet remain raw against live pitching, scouts have varying degrees of risk tolerance for prospects who could make adjustments and take off or might never make it out of Rookie ball.

When a player can drive the ball in BP and take it to the game, he’s going to move to the top of teams’ boards.

This year scouts have consistently remarked that two of the best game hitters in Latin America for this year’s July 2 class are Rafael Devers and Luis Encarnacion, a pair of Dominican third basemen who play in the International Prospect League.

While several teams are high on Dominican outfielder Eloy Jimenez for his all-around potential and some like Micker Zapata for his outstanding raw power, Devers and Encarnacion earn widespread praise for their game hitting, with both expected to sign for more than $1 million.

Devers (video), a 16-year-old who trains with Javier Rodriguez and Rudy Santin, is around 6-foot-1, 215 pounds with above-average bat speed and a compact lefty swing. He’s flashed average running times this year in the 60-yard dash and he has an average arm, but with his body type, some scouts worry that he might end up at first base. Several teams are high on Devers, but the Red Sox have one of the biggest bonus pools for 2013-14 and have been strongly tied to him.

“He’s probably the most advanced bat on the market,” said one international director. “I’ve seen him hit righthanders, I’ve seen him hit lefthanders, I’ve seen him hit lefthanded breaking balls out of the zone and drive them. He has good bat speed, feel for the bat head, the whole deal. All the attributes to hit, they’re all right there. The only question is if he can stay at third base, and I think he can. If you look at Addison Russell, two years ago he had a bad body. He was soft and couldn’t run. He completely re-did his body. Now you look at Devers—if he’s able to keep his body in check, then you’re looking at a legitimate third baseman.”

A second international director also preferred Devers to Encarnacion both for his bat and because he felt Devers had a better chance to stay at third base even if he could eventually end up at first.

by **rolex** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 14:44:47

Grotewold wrote:Everything you just cited is on the GM, rolex.

As for the intangible stuff ... even if you're right ... he's been tremendous with that over the years. You really need his head now rather than October?

G, who fills out the lineup card? Who makes the in game moves? You can't hold Amaro responsible for these things. The addition of Mini Mart and not Fields is on Rube but most of the stuff is on Charlie. Yes, I do want him gone now. His lackadaisical attitude towards things is detrimental to the success of the club. Additionally, if/when Amaro does move some of these vets, Charlie is going to raise hell about it. He probably will set their replacement(s) up to fail to show everyone that he knew better.

by **Trent Steele** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 14:47:48

In the abstract I agree with JFly and FTN. In reality, I don't give as shit either way because this team blows.

by **Shore** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 14:50:56

rolex wrote:
Grotewold wrote:Everything you just cited is on the GM, rolex.

As for the intangible stuff ... even if you're right ... he's been tremendous with that over the years. You really need his head now rather than October?

G, who fills out the lineup card? Who makes the in game moves? You can't hold Amaro responsible for these things. The addition of Mini Mart and not Fields is on Rube but most of the stuff is on Charlie. Yes, I do want him gone now. His lackadaisical attitude towards things is detrimental to the success of the club. Additionally, if/when Amaro does move some of these vets, Charlie is going to raise hell about it. He probably will set their replacement(s) up to fail to show everyone that he knew better.

I'm sure you have examples of this, since it's "probably" going to happen.

by **Barry Jive** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 15:03:27

I'd prefer they let the most successful manager in the team's history live out his contract since they suck this year anyway. Couldn't blame Chuck if he wanted to jump ship on this disaster though

by **rolex** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 15:05:30

Shore wrote:
rolex wrote:
Grotewold wrote:Everything you just cited is on the GM, rolex.

As for the intangible stuff ... even if you're right ... he's been tremendous with that over the years. You really need his head now rather than October?

G, who fills out the lineup card? Who makes the in game moves? You can't hold Amaro responsible for these things. The addition of Mini Mart and not Fields is on Rube but most of the stuff is on Charlie. Yes, I do want him gone now. His lackadaisical attitude towards things is detrimental to the success of the club. Additionally, if/when Amaro does move some of these vets, Charlie is going to raise hell about it. He probably will set their replacement(s) up to fail to show everyone that he knew better.

I'm sure you have examples of this, since it's "probably" going to happen.

Pinch running Mini Mart for Howard. Then, later, with the game on the line it Mini Mart at bat. Then complaining about a lack of offense. Pitching relievers too frequently and then ragging about the weak BP. Really gave Hernandez a shot at 2B. Could have put him in and just played the guy. Instead, he uses him sporadically (shades of D. Brown in the past). He is the best player that the Phillies have at LV.

Barry Jive wrote:I'd prefer they let the most successful manager in the team's history live out his contract since they suck this year anyway. Couldn't blame Chuck if he wanted to jump ship on this disaster though

If Nick Leyva had had the players to use that Manuel has had, we'd be singing the praises of the Great Nick. In the history of the game, few managers have had the lineups to use that Manuel has had here and in Cleveland and done as little with them.

by **Barry Jive** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 15:08:50

Hernandez's numbers when he got regular starts for a week support your argument that Cholly sets his guys up for failure, so there's that

by **The Nightman Cometh** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 15:12:39

Why not bring Asche up? He's not a star, no one should care about his clock. He's probably not going to able to hit lefties, but he could be an upgrade to the offense taking away at bats from the Youngs against righties. Why not see what you have?

by **rolex** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 15:13:17

Barry Jive wrote:Hernandez's numbers when he got regular starts for a week support your argument that Cholly sets his guys up for failure, so there's that

If Willie Mays had had Charlie Manuel as his manager instead of Leo Durocher, the world would never have seen the guy. Rookies need support. Charlie only gives that to vets. Ex.-Delmon Young.

by **Grotewold** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 15:18:14

rolex wrote:In the history of the game, few managers have had the lineups to use that Manuel has had here and in Cleveland and done as little with them.

Let's focus on Philly. He could have won 2-3 titles here without doing anything differently.

You want specific examples? How about the way he handled/managed Madson and Werth -- the X factors of our great run, imo -- over the years

Or the fact that we had close to zero locker room issues or late-season tailspins

by **Barry Jive** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 15:20:39

rolex wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:Hernandez's numbers when he got regular starts for a week support your argument that Cholly sets his guys up for failure, so there's that

If Willie Mays had had Charlie Manuel as his manager instead of Leo Durocher, the world would never have seen the guy. Rookies need support. Charlie only gives that to vets. Ex.-Delmon Young.

lmao, thanks for the Willie Mays-Cesar Hernandez comparison. made my week

by **FTN** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 15:25:12

when the core of the team was in its prime, the lineup card wrote itself out and the team was fine. when he had a good bullpen where guys had established roles, he was fine.

this current team looks nothing like the 2008-2011 teams. this team requires creativity and tinkering. charlie is not creative, and hes not an in game strategist.

when we were bludgeoning teams, he didn't need to think a lot about how to outsmart the other manager. now he has less to work with it, he needs to be more creative, and its just not happening.

i dont think any rational person would belittle what he accomplished here. he presided over our best run in franchise history. but all good things come to an end. hes not compatible with this current team.

by **Nick Leyva** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 15:26:54

rolex wrote:If Nick Leyva had had the players to use that Manuel has had, we'd be singing the praises of the Great Nick.

thanks

by **BigEd76** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 15:45:30

KevinCooney
Bahahahahahaha RT @michaellore: I don't see Michael Martinez's nameplate above a locker... Could be joining #Phillies

by **Grotewold** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 15:54:55

DIEKMAN up for Cloyt, and Lannan faces the Nats Monday

by **allentown** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 16:02:38

rolex wrote:
Grotewold wrote:Everything you just cited is on the GM, rolex.

As for the intangible stuff ... even if you're right ... he's been tremendous with that over the years. You really need his head now rather than October?

G, who fills out the lineup card? Who makes the in game moves? You can't hold Amaro responsible for these things. The addition of Mini Mart and not Fields is on Rube but most of the stuff is on Charlie. Yes, I do want him gone now. His lackadaisical attitude towards things is detrimental to the success of the club. Additionally, if/when Amaro does move some of these vets, Charlie is going to raise hell about it. He probably will set their replacement(s) up to fail to show everyone that he knew better.

I doubt that is on Rube. Chollie asks for whom he wants brought up.

by **BigEd76** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 16:05:14

1-0
5.70 ERA
30 appearances
31 hits
22 runs (19 earned)
24 BB
37 K
Opponents hitting .270

sigh....whatever, try em out, see if it works this time around. I have no faith in any of our IronPig bullpen bullshit

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