Barry Jive wrote:

smitty wrote:Ryan Howard has hit the ball fair 32 times on a 3-0 count.. Has a batting average of .438 and a slugging average of .813. That seems kinda decent.

hitting .438 on a 3-0 count seems really bad to me. if you're putting the ball in play, you better be smoking it.

smitty wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:

smitty wrote:Ryan Howard has hit the ball fair 32 times on a 3-0 count.. Has a batting average of .438 and a slugging average of .813. That seems kinda decent.

hitting .438 on a 3-0 count seems really bad to me. if you're putting the ball in play, you better be smoking it.

Hitting .438 and slugging better than .800 in any situation is not bad in my view.

JFLNYC wrote:Funnily enough, even as a big advocate of walks, I support Wally's approach in general. After all, the simplest key to good hitting is getting your pitch and mashing it. I think, though, that the approach has to be tempered by at least two factors: First, the situation. There's nothing wrong with taking a good pitch early in the count in certain situations. And, second, IMO it's important not only to get a "good" pitch, but "your" pitch. I've always thought the best hitters are those who don't swing until they see their pitch or until they get two strikes.

JFLNYC wrote:Funnily enough, even as a big advocate of walks, I support Wally's approach in general. After all, the simplest key to good hitting is getting your pitch and mashing it. I think, though, that the approach has to be tempered by at least two factors: First, the situation. There's nothing wrong with taking a good pitch early in the count in certain situations. And, second, IMO it's important not only to get a "good" pitch, but "your" pitch. I've always thought the best hitters are those who don't swing until they see their pitch or until they get two strikes.

smitty wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:Funnily enough, even as a big advocate of walks, I support Wally's approach in general. After all, the simplest key to good hitting is getting your pitch and mashing it. I think, though, that the approach has to be tempered by at least two factors: First, the situation. There's nothing wrong with taking a good pitch early in the count in certain situations. And, second, IMO it's important not only to get a "good" pitch, but "your" pitch. I've always thought the best hitters are those who don't swing until they see their pitch or until they get two strikes.

Very few hitters do well after they have two strikes on them.

Barry Jive wrote:he just doesn't get on base enough as is. I'm not complaining about the SLG but you're giving away outs on more than half the 3-0 pitches you put in play there. that's not considering the large number he swung and missed at or fouled off

those are also career numbers, which include the days of him being a baseball monster. to his credit he's walked on all seven 3-0 counts he's had this year

jerseyhoya wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:he just doesn't get on base enough as is. I'm not complaining about the SLG but you're giving away outs on more than half the 3-0 pitches you put in play there. that's not considering the large number he swung and missed at or fouled off

those are also career numbers, which include the days of him being a baseball monster. to his credit he's walked on all seven 3-0 counts he's had this year

No he hasn't. He's 0-5 with 7 walks in his 12 plate appearances where he's had a 3-0 count.

FTN wrote:for his career, howard is .320/.812/.608 after a 3-0 count. thats a tOPS+ of 236, which is outstanding.

the biggest thing that jumps out in his splits is that he's below average, relative to all situations, on an "even" count: .280/.283/.574 (tOPS+ of 83). He has a tOPS+ of 166 when ahead in the count, and a tOPS+ of 27 after the pitcher gets ahead.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... &t=b#count

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        3-0  1st Pitch  Even  Ahead  Behind  Two Strikes
Howard  236  144        83    166    27      28
Utley   358  150        88    148    56      59
Rollins 584  121        87    152    49      56

jerseyhoya wrote:

FTN wrote:for his career, howard is .320/.812/.608 after a 3-0 count. thats a tOPS+ of 236, which is outstanding.

the biggest thing that jumps out in his splits is that he's below average, relative to all situations, on an "even" count: .280/.283/.574 (tOPS+ of 83). He has a tOPS+ of 166 when ahead in the count, and a tOPS+ of 27 after the pitcher gets ahead.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... &t=b#count

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        3-0  1st Pitch  Even  Ahead  Behind  Two Strikes
Howard  236  144        83    166    27      28
Utley   358  150        88    148    56      59
Rollins 584  121        87    152    49      56

Chase has walked 125 of his 144 PAs where he went up 3-0 in the count. Rollins has walked in 167 of his 177 PAs where he went up 3-0 in the count. Howard 208 of 240. 129 of Howard's 208 walks are intentional.

I'm not really sure what all of this means, but wanted to see how Howard compared to the other people on the team who have been here a while. Howard seems to be a lot worse behind in the count than Utley and Rollins, and his 3-0 numbers don't look that hot by comparison either.

jerseyhoya wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:he just doesn't get on base enough as is. I'm not complaining about the SLG but you're giving away outs on more than half the 3-0 pitches you put in play there. that's not considering the large number he swung and missed at or fouled off

those are also career numbers, which include the days of him being a baseball monster. to his credit he's walked on all seven 3-0 counts he's
had this year

No he hasn't. He's 0-5 with 7 walks in his 12 plate appearances where he's had a 3-0 count.

bleh wrote:RBIs

Howard: 946
Trout: 136