Productive Outs - Phillies Random Thoughts

by **Monkeyboy** » Tue May 21, 2013 16:57:52

Usually that quote is supposed to mean a player has a good track record, but the players he has targeted often do not. And some of the ones who do are past their prime. That said, I think you guys are right that the quote by itself may not mean anything. But when you put it in the context of his moves and other quotes, well....

Anyway, I'm just glad all these guys not performing will be gone soon as was suggested. We can then just sign guys off other clubs, proving once and for all that signing crappy players in the offseason just doesn't matter and we shouldn't get upset about it. Thanks God our suffering will be over soon!!!

by **FTN** » Tue May 21, 2013 16:57:57

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Seems a lot easier to say "stay patient, but swing at first pitch meatballs" than it actually is.

yea, but the concept is, you look for one pitch, in one tight spot, and if you get it, you swing. its different than saying "im swinging at the first pitch if its anywhere near the strikezone"

again, its easier for a good hitter with good bat control to do this.

by **Bucky** » Tue May 21, 2013 17:01:08

I think it's the opposite- when you're seeing the ball well, you can be more selective early in the count. When the baseball's looking like a golf ball, then you've got to attack early if there's something hittable.

by **Roger Dorn** » Tue May 21, 2013 17:15:48

@ToddZolecki: Hamels still isn't interested in talking. "I think that's been relayed" to team spokesman, he said.

by **Monkeyboy** » Tue May 21, 2013 17:35:45

Trying to decide if I want to stay up late for the game. Tomorrow is the last day of classes. We don't finish for another 3 weeks due to cultural trips and exams, but it's the home stretch. I've been trying get to bed earlier lately, but I can handle being sleep derived for a day.

by **CFP** » Tue May 21, 2013 17:38:51

Do you have DVR? I got up earlier for the west coast games and just zoomed through them.

by **smitty** » Tue May 21, 2013 17:40:08

Bucky wrote:I think it's the opposite- when you're seeing the ball well, you can be more selective early in the count. When the baseball's looking like a golf ball, then you've got to attack early if there's something hittable.

Yes. This is it. I think this is abig problem for our guys right now.

by **Monkeyboy** » Tue May 21, 2013 18:07:04

CFP wrote:Do you have DVR? I got up earlier for the west coast games and just zoomed through them.

I have mlbtv, so I could watch it tomorrow, but I usually don't have time until mid evening, which is later than the time I need to set fantasy lineups. Plus, I have trouble not fast-forwarding when we're losing and that takes some of the fun out of it. Baseball, in part (at least for me), is about the rhythm of the game. I think it gets lost with too much skipping around. Anyway, I probably should take more advantage of the archived games than I do.

by **mcare89** » Tue May 21, 2013 18:33:10

Phillies ‏@Phillies 24s

2B Chase Utley is a late scratch to tonight's lineup. @toco13fg will take his place in the lineup.

by **Trent Steele** » Tue May 21, 2013 18:53:21

I'd only be mildly surprised if the Phils "analytic database" consisted of a set of 2009 Topps

by **Ace Rothstein** » Tue May 21, 2013 19:01:18

Phillies will score some tonight, i started Fernandez in fanduels

by **Bucky** » Tue May 21, 2013 19:39:23

Trent Steele wrote:I'd only be mildly surprised if the Phils "analytic database" consisted of a set of 2009 Topps

come on you know that's not right.

they had an intern copy the stats into excel and gave away the cards

by **JFLNYC** » Tue May 21, 2013 19:51:05

Not so. They copied the cards onto microfiche.

by **Shore** » Tue May 21, 2013 20:31:56

Bucky wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:I'd only be mildly surprised if the Phils "analytic database" consisted of a set of 2009 Topps

come on you know that's not right.

they had an intern copy the stats into excel and gave away the cards

If anyone in the office says "excel", they get fired.

by **Wheels Tupay** » Tue May 21, 2013 21:38:32

I don't know what you guys are worried about? We got three aces: Kendrick and his stupid face, Pettibone and Cloyd. We got this.

by **Grotewold** » Tue May 21, 2013 21:51:55

Jon Heyman wrote:Cliff Lee takes unemotional view of trade possibility, says "I want to win.''

http://cbsprt.co/10kcErD

by **phorever** » Wed May 22, 2013 05:58:26

i was looking through the numbers of past phillies pitching prospects to compare to kendrick, and got one of my semiannual reminders of what has to be the worst trade the phillies made since i've been a fan:
gavin floyd and gio gonzalez for freddy garcia. garcia was worth -0.3 war to the phillies. floyd and gio put up 16.9 and 11.9 war in the big leagues post trade, averaging a total of 2.5 wins a season. the surplus of starters after the garcia acquisition eventually put myers in the pen which ended his promising career as a phillies starter. he and the phils fell in love with having him relieve, despite inconsistent effectiveness and the fact that it probably resulted in injury. myers was coming off a 4.4 war year in 2006 and had averaged over 1.5war per year as a starter with the phils. he produced 0.6 war per season as a reliever for the rest of his phillies career, then jumped back to starting with houston and put up 4.6war that season before his career faded.

all in all, i figure that trade cost the phils 2-3 wins in 2007 and 3-5 wins per year in 2008-11 and likely a wfc somewhere along the way. yeah, they made the playoffs and were selling out all those seasons... but they could have had stronger rotations going into the 2007 and 2009-11 playoffs, assuming myers instead of kk in game 2 in 2007, floyd/gio instead of blanton 2008-10, and using the blanton money and the non-traded prospects to simply keep lee instead of the whole lee-oswalt-lee dance, and having gio rather than oswalt in the 2011 playoffs.

by **Luzinski's Gut** » Wed May 22, 2013 07:33:42

Another reminder that Ed Wade should be banished from the game of baseball for the duration of the universe

phorever wrote:i was looking through the numbers of past phillies pitching prospects to compare to kendrick, and got one of my semiannual reminders of what has to be the worst trade the phillies made since i've been a fan:
gavin floyd and gio gonzalez for freddy garcia. garcia was worth -0.3 war to the phillies. floyd and gio put up 16.9 and 11.9 war in the big leagues post trade, averaging a total of 2.5 wins a season. the surplus of starters after the garcia acquisition eventually put myers in the pen which ended his promising career as a phillies starter. he and the phils fell in love with having him relieve, despite inconsistent effectiveness and the fact that it probably resulted in injury. myers was coming off a 4.4 war year in 2006 and had averaged over 1.5war per year as a starter with the phils. he produced 0.6 war per season as a reliever for the rest of his phillies career, then jumped back to starting with houston and put up 4.6war that season before his career faded.

all in all, i figure that trade cost the phils 2-3 wins in 2007 and 3-5 wins per year in 2008-11 and likely a wfc somewhere along the way. yeah, they made the playoffs and were selling out all those seasons... but they could have had stronger rotations going into the 2007 and 2009-11 playoffs, assuming myers instead of kk in game 2 in 2007, floyd/gio instead of blanton 2008-10, and using the blanton money and the non-traded prospects to simply keep lee instead of the whole lee-oswalt-lee dance, and having gio rather than oswalt in the 2011 playoffs.

by **dajafi** » Wed May 22, 2013 07:41:14

That trade actually was St. Gillick.

But yeah. Though I think it's worth noting that, one, the Phillies had jerked Floyd around for a few years at that point, and I'm not sure it ever would have happened for him here; and two, Gio was traded three times before he really figured it out with the A's.

by **Soren** » Wed May 22, 2013 07:59:28

Brown in May:
.267/.267/.507

He's turning into Delmon Young.

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