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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby bleh » Sun May 05, 2013 21:59:28

usctrojans31 wrote:Bleh, the biggest problem with Amaro is that it cost us Arbuckle. How are the Royals doing with drafting and developing?

They have a lot more players, but they also had a bunch of early first round picks.


Actually a big reason for the crappy drafts is Amaro not putting enough money towards bonuses. That was what Chuck Lamar resigned over:

"Then he dropped the hammer . . . Chuck said, 'I expect to lose top prospects the way the big club is structured right now. That's my job. Develop 'em and wave 'em goodbye. But we have been shot at and hit two straight years. It's also my job to see we draft and sign players who can sustain us at the high level we've been at during this great run. But the well is dry, gentlemen. My bonus budget this year was just $5 million. We can't compete with aggressive clubs that are spending three times that. We failed to sign a number of late-round picks with college commitments because we could not pay enough over slot. We're not even competing with the Pirates or Nationals, and in a few years the talent coming into our division is going to bite us in the butt . . . '

http://articles.philly.com/2011-09-09/s ... -prospects

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Sun May 05, 2013 22:11:02

i'd give cano a blank check this offseason.

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Soren » Sun May 05, 2013 22:17:39

ReadingPhilly wrote:i'd give cano a blank check this offseason.


a 31 year old free swinging middle infielder is a great investment.
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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Sun May 05, 2013 22:21:44

guess we'll have to settle for a free swinging guy who fucking sucks at baseball then.

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby z ipper » Sun May 05, 2013 22:22:24

he meant the movie blank check cause he hasn't seen it yet

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Sun May 05, 2013 22:23:33

could probably sell jay z on that

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby FTN » Sun May 05, 2013 22:25:01

utley is coming back, so we wont go after cano, but id be in favor of that

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Sun May 05, 2013 22:25:19

CFP wrote:LOL Trollney starting Utley to Royals or Orioles chatter

He started that a week ago.

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Trent Steele » Sun May 05, 2013 22:26:21

Cano isn't leaving the Yankees, so we can forget about that.
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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby danrosz » Sun May 05, 2013 22:49:17

bleh wrote:
usctrojans31 wrote:Bleh, the biggest problem with Amaro is that it cost us Arbuckle. How are the Royals doing with drafting and developing?

They have a lot more players, but they also had a bunch of early first round picks.


Actually a big reason for the crappy drafts is Amaro not putting enough money towards bonuses. That was what Chuck Lamar resigned over:

"Then he dropped the hammer . . . Chuck said, 'I expect to lose top prospects the way the big club is structured right now. That's my job. Develop 'em and wave 'em goodbye. But we have been shot at and hit two straight years. It's also my job to see we draft and sign players who can sustain us at the high level we've been at during this great run. But the well is dry, gentlemen. My bonus budget this year was just $5 million. We can't compete with aggressive clubs that are spending three times that. We failed to sign a number of late-round picks with college commitments because we could not pay enough over slot. We're not even competing with the Pirates or Nationals, and in a few years the talent coming into our division is going to bite us in the butt . . . '

http://articles.philly.com/2011-09-09/s ... -prospects


Reason for this strategy is what? It isn't like you can say they're cheap? Why have a 160 million dollar payroll but go cheap on the draft?

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby FTN » Sun May 05, 2013 22:58:05

the commish was anti overslot bonuses before the new CBA put a cap on everything. monty and the phillies brass has always been tight with selig. we still went over slot a bit, we just didnt exploit it like the red sox or pirates.

but there isnt really a correlation to spending money late in the draft and getting elite prospects. lots of those big overslot gambles have failed.

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby bleh » Sun May 05, 2013 22:59:06

danrosz wrote:Reason for this strategy is what? It isn't like you can say they're cheap? Why have a 160 million dollar payroll but go cheap on the draft?

Cuz they're dumb. But now that I think about it, Amaro is only responsible for 2009+, so the jury's still out on how bad the money affected those years.

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Shore » Sun May 05, 2013 22:59:59

danrosz wrote:
bleh wrote:
usctrojans31 wrote:Bleh, the biggest problem with Amaro is that it cost us Arbuckle. How are the Royals doing with drafting and developing?

They have a lot more players, but they also had a bunch of early first round picks.


Actually a big reason for the crappy drafts is Amaro not putting enough money towards bonuses. That was what Chuck Lamar resigned over:

"Then he dropped the hammer . . . Chuck said, 'I expect to lose top prospects the way the big club is structured right now. That's my job. Develop 'em and wave 'em goodbye. But we have been shot at and hit two straight years. It's also my job to see we draft and sign players who can sustain us at the high level we've been at during this great run. But the well is dry, gentlemen. My bonus budget this year was just $5 million. We can't compete with aggressive clubs that are spending three times that. We failed to sign a number of late-round picks with college commitments because we could not pay enough over slot. We're not even competing with the Pirates or Nationals, and in a few years the talent coming into our division is going to bite us in the butt . . . '

http://articles.philly.com/2011-09-09/s ... -prospects


Reason for this strategy is what? It isn't like you can say they're cheap? Why have a 160 million dollar payroll but go cheap on the draft?


All the sabermetric stat nerds say to spend over slot, that it's a positive investment. So we don't, because those guys and their calculators are fucking nerds, not baseball men.

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby usctrojans31 » Sun May 05, 2013 23:18:27

FTN - admittedly the Royals have been hit or miss, but overall, it's still a much stronger group than the Phillies, even adjusting for draft location differences.

The one thing that still baffles me is the constant obsession with tools only players. The club doesn't really have a great track record into converting tools into production, yet it still keeps trying.

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby dajafi » Sun May 05, 2013 23:26:59

My theory about large-market teams and the draft is that in the early rounds, you go for high floor more than high ceiling. If you always have a few homegrown guys on the roster providing value in excess of their compensation AND an eight-figure budget, it almost becomes hard to screw up.

Then go after the freaky athletes later in the draft. If they're the great fucking scouting organization they claim to be, isn't that where they'd find the gems?

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby danrosz » Sun May 05, 2013 23:35:18

FTN wrote:the commish was anti overslot bonuses before the new CBA put a cap on everything. monty and the phillies brass has always been tight with selig. we still went over slot a bit, we just didnt exploit it like the red sox or pirates.

but there isnt really a correlation to spending money late in the draft and getting elite prospects. lots of those big overslot gambles have failed.


Was there any talk as to why the Phillies only spent 85 percent of their draft pool budge last year? Don't follow the draft at all... Did people like you who follow the draft feel like they missed out on certain guys because of money?

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby FTN » Sun May 05, 2013 23:47:18

to be honest, i didnt really pay attention last year

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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby AllPhillyFan » Mon May 06, 2013 08:04:38

danrosz wrote:
FTN wrote:the commish was anti overslot bonuses before the new CBA put a cap on everything. monty and the phillies brass has always been tight with selig. we still went over slot a bit, we just didnt exploit it like the red sox or pirates.

but there isnt really a correlation to spending money late in the draft and getting elite prospects. lots of those big overslot gambles have failed.


Was there any talk as to why the Phillies only spent 85 percent of their draft pool budge last year? Don't follow the draft at all... Did people like you who follow the draft feel like they missed out on certain guys because of money?

I don't know the answer for sure but I'm guessing a few players that money would have went to didn't sign.
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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Mon May 06, 2013 08:17:47

CFP wrote:LOL Trollney starting Utley to Royals or Orioles chatter


heck, even we have a thread dedicated to trading utley away
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Re: I Don't Care About Walks - Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby AllPhillyFan » Mon May 06, 2013 08:21:14

Here's my opinion on Utley that I don't think many people have mentioned. He plays 2B, which is a position that does not really have a great amount of talent in the majors. Yes we could put Galvis there, but he is a completely different player, Galvis seems more fit to replace Rollins than Utley. Since he plays a position that's hard to fill with a player of his skills, I don't see the harm in keeping him, especially if he keeps his play up.

On top of this, due to his injury history, age, and the fact that his contract is expiring after this year I don't think we'd get a good return at all on him.
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