bumonic clown.

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brown isn't making 12.83MM AAV the next 3 years either.

so there are people that would be opposed to an upton for brown/galvis/aumont/valle deal?

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ReadingPhilly wrote:so there are people that would be opposed to an upton for brown/galvis/aumont/valle deal?

Yes. Diamondback fans.

ReadingPhilly wrote:so there are people that would be opposed to an upton for brown/galvis/aumont/valle deal?

no, but we'd need to throw in another regular to stay under the tax, if we did get upton, we'd only be able to afford 7 million of it, unless we somehow get AZ to kick cash in

SK790 wrote:brown isn't making 12.83MM AAV the next 3 years either.

He may never make that much.

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ReadingPhilly wrote:so there are people that would be opposed to an upton for brown/galvis/aumont/valle deal?

no, but we'd need to throw in another regular to stay under the tax, if we did get upton, we'd only be able to afford 7 million of it, unless we somehow get AZ to kick cash in

I'm not seeing a realistic Upton trade, but if that happened I think the Phils would bust the limit. Sell pieces off in July to get under if things aren't going well

good point, the tax isnt set at the start of the season. i can never remember this

wishful thinking as it is, but it's fun and i miss baseball

FTN wrote:upton's 4 year average (age 21-24 seasons)

.286/.362/.485 - 30 2b - 23 hr - 19 sb

hes a righthanded power hitting right fielder. right handed power is rare. he was 4th in the mvp voting in 2011 at age 23. his AAV is 12.83M for the next 3 years. you aren't signing a player with his current ability and future upside for 3/38 on the open market. when looking at his road stats, are you considering that the road parks in his division, where he plays the most road games, includes petco, att and dodger stadium, three radical pitchers parks? the only hitter friendly road park is coors.

upton is 1 week older than bumonic clown. so if upton has question marks, that makes brown a complete zero

I understand -- there are two really good seasons averaged into those 4. However, his 2012 pretty much sucked for a corner OF. Which is the real Upton. You can say thumb accounts for much of 2012, but then what about 2010? The 4 year average looks a heck of a lot better than the three year average or last year. You could have done the same with Ryan Howard a few years back. His decline was real. Upton is younger, certainly. The team with the best read on him wants him gone. That says something to me. That's a big reason I didn't want Young. Texas very obviously didn't want him and was on a multi-year quest to unload him.

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phdave wrote:

SK790 wrote:brown isn't making 12.83MM AAV the next 3 years either.

He may never make that much.

True.

allentown wrote:

FTN wrote:upton's 4 year average (age 21-24 seasons)

.286/.362/.485 - 30 2b - 23 hr - 19 sb

hes a righthanded power hitting right fielder. right handed power is rare. he was 4th in the mvp voting in 2011 at age 23. his AAV is 12.83M for the next 3 years. you aren't signing a player with his current ability and future upside for 3/38 on the open market. when looking at his road stats, are you considering that the road parks in his division, where he plays the most road games, includes petco, att and dodger stadium, three radical pitchers parks? the only hitter friendly road park is coors.

upton is 1 week older than bumonic clown. so if upton has question marks, that makes brown a complete zero

I understand -- there are two really good seasons averaged into those 4. However, his 2012 pretty much sucked for a corner OF. Which is the real Upton. You can say thumb accounts for much of 2012, but then what about 2010? The 4 year average looks a heck of a lot better than the three year average or last year. You could have done the same with Ryan Howard a few years back. His decline was real. Upton is younger, certainly. The team with the best read on him wants him gone. That says something to me. That's a big reason I didn't want Young. Texas very obviously didn't want him and was on a multi-year quest to unload him.

He was 22 for most of 2010 and was still a 3 win player. Maybe he was just fully developing/improving?

seriously. that is a pretty dishonest attempt at providing evaluation

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We can all agree that Upton had an off year last year. Yet, even in an off year he ranked 15th in WAR among MLB RF (ahead of Jay Bruce, Hunter Pence and Nelson Cruz, among others), his OPS+ was still 107, his wOBA .341. All this in an off year.

I think some Phillies fans may have been spoiled by having three elite, MVP-caliber players for so long in Howard, Rollins and Utley. That caliber player is very hard to find, especially when they're young. There's no one in the Phils' farm system who currently fits that description.

With our elite 3 no longer elite and on the downside of their careers, the number one, top priority for this team is to find one or more young, elite position players. One is now available and his name is Justin Upton. Yes, he has a question mark or two attached to him. But with the farm system being so barren in elite position player prospects and players of Upton's ability and age being so rare and difficult to acquire, Rube should move heaven and earth to get him.

Uh. Get him. Now. And throw together as many mediocre prospects as it takes.

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You do a deal for a Justin Upton whenever you can. He would instantly become the best hitter in our lineup, at a position of need. He's 25. In the last 3 years, he's hit .300 at CBP, .297 at Citi Field, and .406 at Turner. That's leaving out his great 2009 season. I'm not worried about his road splits.

I don't get, however, why people keep mentioning trading Brown to AZ, since the Dbags are trading an OF because they have too many. Brown would have to go elsewhere in a deal if you unload him.

gr wrote:You do a deal for a Justin Upton whenever you can. He would instantly become the best hitter in our lineup, at a position of need. He's 25. In the last 3 years, he's hit .300 at CBP, .297 at Citi Field, and .406 at Turner. That's leaving out his great 2009 season. I'm not worried about his road splits.

I don't get, however, why people keep mentioning trading Brown to AZ, since the Dbags are trading an OF because they have too many. Brown would have to go elsewhere in a deal if you unload him.

The original post about Upton said Phills working on 3 team deal for Upton.