Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

by **Shore** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 00:04:11

Code: Select all: Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+ Home 72 63 293 244 51 81 10 7 10 39 5 3 43 61 .332 .431 .553 .984 135 3 0 5 1 1 2 .408 127 165 Away 71 53 237 210 21 55 8 4 3 14 7 2 25 67 .262 .339 .381 .720 80 2 0 1 1 0 3 .369 68 105

Code: Select all: Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ Home 272 229 1103 920 182 271 57 30 20 120 35 18 150 220 .295 .395 .487 .882 448 12 5 24 4 3 15 .367 123 Away 276 219 1040 913 123 226 45 20 8 48 29 15 110 263 .248 .331 .367 .698 335 8 5 10 2 2 6 .339 77

Really? .248/.331/.367 career, .262/.339/.381 last year on the road.

by **stevelxa476** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 00:55:58

Doll Is Mine wrote:Twitter is pretty quiet for Day 1 of the Winter Meetings.

All the beat writers decided to sleep in.

by **phorever** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 07:31:56

ReadingPhilly wrote:Sign greinke, trade Worley for choo or fowler and just pitch the #$!&@ out of the ball.

adding greinke, fowler, and youkilis is my preferred option assuming unlimited payroll.
greinke should be almost a win more valuable than hamilton in 2013, and many more after that, and the argument for hamilton as a headcase is pretty strong too.

by **phorever** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 07:40:49

Shore wrote:
Code: Select all
Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+ Home 72 63 293 244 51 81 10 7 10 39 5 3 43 61 .332 .431 .553 .984 135 3 0 5 1 1 2 .408 127 165 Away 71 53 237 210 21 55 8 4 3 14 7 2 25 67 .262 .339 .381 .720 80 2 0 1 1 0 3 .369 68 105

Code: Select all
Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ Home 272 229 1103 920 182 271 57 30 20 120 35 18 150 220 .295 .395 .487 .882 448 12 5 24 4 3 15 .367 123 Away 276 219 1040 913 123 226 45 20 8 48 29 15 110 263 .248 .331 .367 .698 335 8 5 10 2 2 6 .339 77

Really? .248/.331/.367 career, .262/.339/.381 last year on the road.

yes really. you seem to be applying career numbers to a player going into his prime in the same way as you do to a player exiting his prime, which would not be appropriate. especially since he had injury issues in some of those seasons, which now seem to be resolved. and having followed the rockies since day one (attended their first home opener) i can assure you that home-road stats do not consistently predict how a player will perform when coors stops being his home field. for some guys, the switching from high to low altitude and back screws up their road performance as much as it enhances their home performance. and don't forget that a large fraction of the rockies road games are in san diego, san francisco, and la, all of which have run suppressing park factors.

by **phorever** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 07:42:32

ReadingPhilly wrote:
O'Dowd is awful so you never know what to expect. They were trying to trade him all the time before last season happened. I'd definitely do Worley, but I'd hope Rube could talk the secondary pieces down from May. Although at this point I think May is closer to our 5th best pitching prospect than he is our 2nd.

set your sights higher (lower?) talk him down to kendrick+may.
there. i said it. happy now?

by **WheelsFellOff** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 09:09:33

Rev_Beezer wrote:WHY DID THE BOARD GO FROM FUNNY MEAN TO MEAN MEAN?

by **snakster** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 09:31:33

Try to get Jason Bay to sign a minor league deal. If he continues to suck, no harm no foul. I'm willing to throw anything against the wall at this point.

by **LongDrive** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 09:57:17

Curtis Granderson is available?

by **cartersDad26** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:21:11

sounds appealing but at what price for a 1 year rental? i can't imagine we have enough to get him.

by **kruker** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:27:45

CalvinBall wrote:
The Dude wrote:No idea CSN stood for Calvin Sychosocial Network

He really does have big time mental demons. Friend is a huge Royals fan. He has told me a lot of stories about this.

Right.

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:34:01

He also confirmed they're very interested in Michael Young, but the Rangers have denied he's available.

On a more cheerful note, he said Rube told him that it was possible Asche could be ready sometime in 2013.

by **LongDrive** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:49:21

Not sure why the Yankees would want to trade Granderson.

by **Trent Steele** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:49:46

JFLNYC wrote:He also confirmed they're very interested in Michael Young, but the Rangers have denied he's available.

Getting really excited about hating Michael Young

by **LongDrive** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:57:16

Youkilis probably wants a 2-3 year deal & Young is for 1 year. Asche will be ready for 2014.

by **bleh** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:02:43

Well everyone's been saying they need to get young.

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:03:56

ek wrote:the michael young thing is strange to me.

I'm not for it, but I think I can understand it. If Asche's going to be ready soon and you're looking for something very short-term, and you can get Young cheaply (both in terms of players and salary) you might catch lightening in a bottle for a short run with Young. He's only one year removed from a 125 OPS+.

by **Grotewold** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:07:20

LongDrive wrote:Not sure why the Yankees would want to trade Granderson.

They're apparently serious about getting under the luxury tax limit by 2014, and could use Gardner in CF. Maybe losing Swisher and Granderson would open the door for Hamilton...

I don't get the Young thing, either. Seems like sometimes we get fixated on a guy for too long.

by **kruker** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:07:55

Still had a nearly .800 OPS against lefties last year. It's....well, something.

by **Grotewold** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:09:26

And I guess if Frandsen or Galvis is the utility guy who plays once or twice a week you're essentially swapping Young in for MiniMart

by **LongDrive** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:10:54

Grotewold wrote:
LongDrive wrote:Not sure why the Yankees would want to trade Granderson.

They're apparently serious about getting under the luxury tax limit by 2014, and could use Gardner in CF. Maybe losing Swisher and Granderson would open the door for Hamilton...

I don't get the Young thing, either. Seems like sometimes we get fixated on a guy for too long.

With Hamilton's past, Im not sure New York is the best place for him to play. That would be interesting though.

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