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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Eem » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:08:07

I would have been cool with 4/$40 for Pagan but you can't blame Amaro for scoffing at it
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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Grotewold » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:08:50

Eem wrote:I would have been cool with 4/$40 for Pagan but you can't blame Amaro for scoffing at it


Probably would have needed to go significantly higher to get him to leave

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Ramon Gris » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:09:33

We need Hamilton. He's the only real badass available via free agency. There aren't that many opportunities to add a hitter of his caliber without giving up boatloads of prospects. Sure, he's risky, but 2017 doesn't matter to me right now.

edit: I realize I've contradicted myself in four sentences, but I still want Hamilton.
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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby CFP » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:10:16

Whew. Dodged a bullet there

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:10:26

Sign Hamilton. Deal with the ramifications later. Win now while you will still get something out of the old core of this team
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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Doll Is Mine » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:16:23

Buster Olney, Jerry Crasnick, Danny Knobler and others now jumping on the "Phillies running out of options" bandwagon.

Just wait til we sign Hamilton.

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby bury me » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:17:15

aside from any trades, it's going to be hamilton right now as plan A, with swisher pulling up the rear next

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Doll Is Mine » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:18:45

Phillies have been too quiet. Ruben is doing something sneaky. No doubt about it.

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby kimbatiste » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:18:48

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Sign Hamilton. Deal with the ramifications later. Win now while you will still get something out of the old core of this team


More and more, I am coming around to this point of view. Ideally, we would be able to re-build on the fly but that doesn't seem realistic. Just load up as much as possible for the next three years, hope to get hot at the right time and win a title or two, then trade Hamels and anyone else of value over 30, and rebuild for when the post-Howard, Hamilton, etc. contracts are up.

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Trent Steele » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:20:28

Grotewold wrote:
Eem wrote:I would have been cool with 4/$40 for Pagan but you can't blame Amaro for scoffing at it


Probably would have needed to go significantly higher to get him to leave


And guys close to Pagan caliber can be acquired in July for next to nothing. Hell, we saw it this year with Victorino.

Use FA to sign the elite guys. Use the trade market to fill the gaps for relievers and non-elite players.
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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Ramon Gris » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:23:33

Trent Steele wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
Eem wrote:I would have been cool with 4/$40 for Pagan but you can't blame Amaro for scoffing at it


Probably would have needed to go significantly higher to get him to leave


And guys close to Pagan caliber can be acquired in July for next to nothing. Hell, we saw it this year with Victorino.

Use FA to sign the elite guys. Use the trade market to fill the gaps for relievers and non-elite players.


that about sums it up

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Grotewold » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:24:23

Crasnick says the Reds aren't in on Bourn. Not sure why everyone else is writing about this high price if there are no suitors

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby cartersDad26 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:28:30

I only want Hamilton now. Big dick swinging - it's fucking whale season.

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Ramon Gris » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:28:44

People Against Good And Nice. nope.

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby CFP » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:30:59

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Keep hearing people speculate about Josh Hamilton to #Phillies. But if I had to pick a word to describe their interest, "wary" covers it.

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Eem » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:31:55

Grotewold wrote:Crasnick says the Reds aren't in on Bourn. Not sure why everyone else is writing about this high price if there are no suitors


Perhaps there are no suitors because of his price

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby cartersDad26 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:33:07

Ramon Gris wrote:People Against Good And Nice. nope.


it's goodness and normalcy.

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Wheels Tupay » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:35:56

Feels good man. Rube was scaring the shit out of me there.
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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Ramon Gris » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:37:27

cartersDad26 wrote:
Ramon Gris wrote:People Against Good And Nice. nope.


it's goodness and normalcy.


Dammit. Sorry. Gotta do better.

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Mon Dec 03, 2012 17:40:49

Trent Steele wrote:
Grotewold wrote:RealKen has Pagan close to re-signing with SFG


I don't even know what I want to happen at this point (other than Hamilton). I'm don't want Pagan but I'm afraid that him going to SF means a massive overpay for Bourn. Help.

I heard/read somewhere that Bourn is seeking a 100 mil contract.

Victorino supposedly has a bunch of suitors (Red Sox, Indians, Rays, Reds, Rangers, Yankees). Maybe if we offer the 3/30 and tell him Chooch has teh Adderall...
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