Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to Us

Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby Napalm » Thu Sep 08, 2011 20:38:44

phdave wrote:
Napalm wrote:It was after the Mets had reached the NLCS and were the clear favorites in the division for the forthcoming year. Obviously their collapse played a big part in it, but he put our up and coming team on the map with his season/our comeback. The rest is history.


I wonder how much the team to beat quote messed with their minds. They blew their chance at the WS and then here was someone from a team that hadn't been in the playoffs in 13 years saying that THEY were the team to beat? And they reacted to it like a team that wasn't extremely confident. They were bothered by it. It's fun for me to think that him saying that actually contributed to their collapse because at the end of the season, after the Phillies swept them in that 4 game series, they started wondering, maybe it is true.

That's so funner. Without a doubt it had to have bothered them. Not even 1 year later, Beltran was ripping that line off in spring training, saying the Mets were the team to beat. Of course, they mini-collapsed, and the Phils eventually won the world series that postseason. And then after that, K-Rod said that they were the team to beat after he signed his contract.

It's funny, because the Mets are so irrelevant right now, yet we take such glee in their misery, and Mets fans seem to believe we're obsessed with them. It seems the opposite is true, Beltran and K-Rod are pretty good evidence, copypasta'ing J-roll year after year. IN THEIR HEADS, WE DID IT

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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby Trent Steele » Thu Sep 08, 2011 21:15:39

Cliff Lee has a 1.65 ERA in his last 123 IP (since June 6). Really.
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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby etched Chaos » Thu Sep 08, 2011 23:07:45

We have 48 losses, nobody else in the NL has less than 60.

We're also 6 games ahead of the whole of MLB, 7 in the loss column.
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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby FTN » Thu Sep 08, 2011 23:09:30

Trent Steele wrote:Cliff Lee has a 1.65 ERA in his last 123 IP (since June 6). Really.


is that good?

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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby etched Chaos » Thu Sep 08, 2011 23:11:09

FTN wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:Cliff Lee has a 1.65 ERA in his last 123 IP (since June 6). Really.


is that good?


As CLIFF LEE would say, 'whatever.'
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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Fri Sep 09, 2011 01:27:39

phdave wrote:
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When Rollins claimed the Phillies were, “The team to beat,” it was a precursor to all that the team has achieved, he said.

“In short, yeah. Without 2007, without me coming out saying, ‘We’re the team to beat,’ without all of that, the organization operates the way it always has -- that’s just willing to be competitive and going out there fielding a team and hoping one day we'll be good,” Rollins told CSN. “Since that day there’s no longer a hope. It was, ‘We have to prove it every single time out here.’ Then fans showed up. With fans came money. Then players came over. Then better players came over. Then we won the World Series in between all of that. And this is where we are today. And it started with that little mustard seed and that little spark. Without that, I don't think it would be the same.”


Is this just a swagg way to look at, as a nice story, or is jroll a prophet?


Well, it wasn't just saying it. Took guts to say it, yeah, but once it was out there, he made it happen. Who would have ever thought he'd win the MVP before that season? And that huge comeback? He played his best against the Mets that season and down the stretch. I think having that target on his back the whole season was a big part of that. He showed everyone that when the pressure was on, he was able to play his best. So, I agree with him that doing that changed everything. Can't prove it but that's how I feel about it.

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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby etched Chaos » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:23:09

The White Sawx have overtaken us for total pitching WAR on fangraphs and I've no idea how. They were 0.5 back before yesterday, Hamels throws a CG and we lost 0.2 WAR and got overtaken.
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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby Wheels Tupay » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:26:31

Because Hummels is a sissy. That's why.
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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby etched Chaos » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:27:46

Wheels Tupay wrote:Because Hummels is a sissy. That's why.


Looking into it, Hamels throwing a CG win was a negative 0.3 WAR, so the less sissy he is the more WAR he loses.
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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby Soren » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:35:28

fangraphs war is based mostly on peripherals, not on actual performance IIRC
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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby etched Chaos » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:40:21

Soren wrote:fangraphs war is based mostly on peripherals, not on actual performance IIRC


So 4 hits, 2 bb's and 2k's over 9ip is worth losing 0.3 WAR? If Hamels k's 4 more people does that turn into a positive 0.3 WAR game instead?
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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:43:24

etched Chaos wrote:
Soren wrote:fangraphs war is based mostly on peripherals, not on actual performance IIRC


So 4 hits, 2 bb's and 2k's over 9ip is worth losing 0.3 WAR? If Hamels k's 4 more people does that turn into a positive 0.3 WAR game instead?

Pretty much, at least according to Fangraphs.

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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby etched Chaos » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:47:50

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
etched Chaos wrote:
Soren wrote:fangraphs war is based mostly on peripherals, not on actual performance IIRC


So 4 hits, 2 bb's and 2k's over 9ip is worth losing 0.3 WAR? If Hamels k's 4 more people does that turn into a positive 0.3 WAR game instead?

Pretty much, at least according to Fangraphs.


Puzzling, so 3-4 extra strikeouts is the difference between a bad WAR and a good WAR, then how is Verlander not #1 in total WAR by a large margin?

I'm just a bit confused at how the White Sawx have overtaken us for total WAR when performance wise we should be even further ahead.
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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby Grotewold » Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:50:46

Because WAR is dumb

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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby etched Chaos » Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:53:32

Grotewold wrote:Because WAR is dumb


The only positive from WAR is it's the only thing stating Doc as the best pitcher with all the experts on the Verlander bandwagon.
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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby Bucky » Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:31:04

Grotewold wrote:Because WAR is dumb


What is it good for? Absolutely nuthin'.

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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby Doll Is Mine » Fri Sep 09, 2011 14:24:33

Stark...

• Madson: Here's another interesting case to ponder. On one hand, Madson has had a great year (28 saves in 30 opportunities, a 2.79 ERA, with 53 strikeouts in 51 2/3 innings) for a team heading for October. And he's coming off three previous years of dominating setup work. On the other hand, not only is this is his first year doing any sustained closing, but as recently as spring training, his own team initially passed him over and gave the job to Jose Contreras after Lidge got hurt. If he weren't a Scott Boras client, you'd expect him to stay in Philadelphia. But the Phillies won't wait around all winter for Boras to stoke that bidding war. So "he'll wind up going wherever the dollars are the highest," one AL executive said. "And we may not know where that is until the end of the offseason." We've heard officials from two clubs predict he'll wind up with a "Valverde-type deal" (i.e., two years, $14 million -- or three years, $23 million if you count the option).


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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby phatj » Fri Sep 09, 2011 14:32:57

I'd sign him for 2/14 yesterday
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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Sep 09, 2011 14:41:42

Indeed. If he signs anywhere else for that kind of money, I'll be pissed.
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Re: Random Phils Stuff VII: All Your Baseball Are Belong to

Postby Soren » Fri Sep 09, 2011 14:45:10

phatj wrote:I'd sign him for 2/14 yesterday
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