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JFLNYC wrote:Say Madson gets $12MM. They draw 3MM next year. Raise ticket prices by $4 across the board. Pay for Madson. Sign Hamels. Bi-winning.

Think they can get 4MM this season? B-R says 3.77 MM last season. Not sure how they'd get another 3K people per game since every game is sold out though.

ek wrote:i don't know about worried. his 2nd half record is superb and someone posted that his velocity right now is where it is at this time every year

JFLNYC wrote:

ek wrote:i don't know about worried. his 2nd half record is superb and someone posted that his velocity right now is where it is at this time every year

His K rate is at a career low (by a lot), down over 28% from his career average and down almost 33% from last year.

Trent Steele wrote:Shane is 3rd in the NL in WAR behind only Kemp and Reyes. Love that little moron.

Shane Victorino
The Flyin' Hawaiian had himself a series in Seattle this weekend. The Phillies centerfielder went 5-12, with a double, triple, two home runs, five runs batted in, and a walk. Though the Phillies lost two of three to the Mariners, Victorino continued to establish himself as a force in the lineup, jumping from a .350ish wOBA over the last four seasons to a mark exceeding .390. While the Phillies offense isn't what it used to be, it is still rather surprising to see Victorino leading the team in wOBA with players like Ryan Howard and Chase Utley still in the lineup. Victorino could be one of the most underrated players in the sport.

Soren wrote:do defensive metrics take park factors into count for OFers? IOW, does the fact that Shane plays most of his games in a park where there isn't as much ground to cover hurt his defensive numbers therefore his WAR?

Infield (ground ball) park adjustments are handled by assigning a “factor” to all ground balls in each park, depending upon the speed of the infield, which includes not only the height and texture of the IF grass (or indoor playing surface), but the altitude (and average temperature of the park to some extent). For example, in Colorado, the IF is fast (and the OF is difficult) because of the altitude, and in San Diego, the IF is slow, at least partially because the park is at sea level. Park factors are updated every time a material change occurs to a park or a team moves into a new park.

In the OF, each section, LF, CF, and RF, is divided into two zones, shallow and deep, for park adjustment purposes. Each of those 6 zones per park has their own adjustment factor. For example, the deep zone in LF at Fenway has an adjustment factor of .5, meaning that of all balls hit past a certain distance in LF at Fenway, the overall “catch rate” is only half that of the average major league park. Similarly, in Houston’s LF “short porch,” it is .86. In Seattle, fly balls in all sections of all fields are easier to catch than at an average MLB park, presumably because of the altitude, the cold weather, and the large but not too-large outfield dimensions, and thus have a park factor above 1.0.

Outfielders with more WAR than Victorino, 2006-2011: Matt Holliday, Curtis Granderson, Ryan Braun, Ichiro Suzuki, Jayson Werth, Carl Crawford, Carlos Beltran.

First baseman with more WAR than Howard, 2006-2011: Albert Pujols, Miguel Cabrera, Mark Teixeira, Kevin Youkilis, Adrian Gonzalez, Prince Fielder, Joey Votto, Lance Berkman, Carlos Pena, Justin Morneau, Derrek Lee

Barry Jive wrote:we should get Derrek Lee now