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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby Swiggers » Tue May 24, 2011 15:17:42

Reyes and Rollins?
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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby Soren » Tue May 24, 2011 15:21:37

1/2 right
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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby Trent Steele » Tue May 24, 2011 15:41:05

Reyes and Crawford. People are delusional if they think Reyes isn't getting $100m. He is.
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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby lethal » Tue May 24, 2011 15:54:37

Trent Steele wrote:Reyes and Crawford. People are delusional if they think Reyes isn't getting $100m. He is.


Almost guaranteed the Giants will be in the hunt and offer at least that much if they don't trade for him before the deadline and sign him to an extension before the end of the season.
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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby Soren » Tue May 24, 2011 15:54:40

Trent Steele wrote:Reyes and Crawford. People are delusional if they think Reyes isn't getting $100m. He is.


Yep. Since 2008, SSs have had cumulative OPS lines of .718, .721 and .693 (.684 so far this year). Not only is Reyes a well above average hitter for position he's also an elite base stealer. NFW the Yankees don't throw bushels of money his way.
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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue May 24, 2011 16:08:44

Not only is Jose Reyes probably outta here, the Mets won't be reinvesting the money. Fred Wilpon acknowledged to Sports Illustrated that the payroll could go down about 30 percent next offseason.

If the Mets' payroll is roughly $140 million this year, that means $98 million next year. And if $65 million comes off without Reyes and because Francisco Rodriguez doesn't vest, only about $23 million gets put back in next offseason -- with the need for a shortstop and a closer. And that's not even taking into account raises to other players.

"That's fair," Wilpon told the magazine. "If you invest your $100 million properly, as most clubs that are competitive are in that range . . . I think that we have to see what Sandy [Alderson, the general manager] wants to do, and Sandy wants flexibility. And I'm trying to give him the ultimate amount of flexibility. He's going to have to make those decisions . . . The answer to your question is yeah, that could happen."

That's a big cut

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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Tue May 24, 2011 19:48:03

jerseyhoya wrote:
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" Wilpon told the magazine. "If you invest your $100 million properly

*snicker*

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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed May 25, 2011 17:16:02

magelb
Awesome. RT @DPLennon: Alderson: "If the world ended when it was supposed to on Saturday, we wouldn't have to worry about all these issues."
1 minute ago

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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby bleh » Thu May 26, 2011 10:13:52

Their possible minority owner sounds like he might be competent :q

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... -numbered/

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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby drsmooth » Thu May 26, 2011 21:54:18

bleh wrote:Their possible minority owner sounds like he might be competent :q

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... -numbered/


Einhorn could be interesting

he's played to win plenty and has been right a lot

on the other hand, he's a real prick about being The Smartest Guy in the Room, and certainly overdue to have the dressing down of his life

I think Rube's up for him

That Cornell background, though, makes him an almost certain winner


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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby JFLNYC » Thu May 26, 2011 22:37:25

Are they going to let Cornell into the Ivy League?

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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby Soren » Fri May 27, 2011 22:18:05

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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri May 27, 2011 22:19:16

I'm beginning to think Jerry Manuel was a scapegoat.
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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sat May 28, 2011 03:34:53

TenuredVulture wrote:I'm beginning to think Jerry Manuel was a scapegoat.

Or the residual loserness he left behind is indelible. Like how a nasty fart lingers in the elevator long after the culprit departs.

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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat May 28, 2011 03:41:53

Soren wrote:Image

Poor Brian Schneider

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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby Wolfgang622 » Sat May 28, 2011 10:10:00

First line of the Wikipedia entry on David Einhorn:

David Einhorn (born March 24, 1968) is President of Greenlight Capital, a "long-short value-oriented hedge fund", which he began with $1 million in 1996. Greenlight has historically generated greater than a twenty-two percent annualized net return for partners and investors.


Hmmmmmmmmm.

Madoff's annual returns were "unusually consistent", around 10%, and were a key factor in perpetuating the fraud. Ponzi schemes typically pay returns of 20% or higher, and collapse quickly.
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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby Wolfgang622 » Sat May 28, 2011 10:44:38

Fugeez lollers:

gp1 wrote:
Amazin's wrote:What happened to the 'Mets Suck' forum????

It became superfluous
"I'm in a bar with the games sound turned off and that Cespedes home run still sounded like inevitability."

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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby Wolfgang622 » Sat May 28, 2011 10:47:36

Pond Scum wrote:
nynysportsports wrote:a rational person develops detachment to this torture.

there's nothing rational about being a fan

the highs never cancel out the lows, unless you're a phillies fan from 07-now, which means there are no lows
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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat May 28, 2011 11:37:40

mozartpc27 wrote:
Pond Scum wrote:
nynysportsports wrote:a rational person develops detachment to this torture.

there's nothing rational about being a fan

the highs never cancel out the lows, unless you're a phillies fan from 07-now, which means there are no lows


Pond scum obviously doesn't troll here.
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Re: Wilpwned: Hate/Pity/Laugh at the Mets 2011

Postby drsmooth » Sat May 28, 2011 12:15:26

mozartpc27 wrote:First line of the Wikipedia entry on David Einhorn:

David Einhorn (born March 24, 1968) is President of Greenlight Capital, a "long-short value-oriented hedge fund", which he began with $1 million in 1996. Greenlight has historically generated greater than a twenty-two percent annualized net return for partners and investors.


Hmmmmmmmmm.

Madoff's annual returns were "unusually consistent", around 10%, and were a key factor in perpetuating the fraud. Ponzi schemes typically pay returns of 20% or higher, and collapse quickly.



historical annualized figures probably lead to a distorted picture of einhorn's good bets, mostly, as I understand it, against the financial firms that got hooked on subprime-backed cdo crack. I'm too lazy to look it up but I would imagine his performance curve doesn't arc as smoothly as Bernie's did.

I'm not sure exactly what a "long-short value-oriented" investor might be; perhaps a short who shorts hard & is ready to wait a long time for the market to come around to his valuation conclusions. Greenlight isn't a frantic trader.
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