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Postby philliesphhan » Thu Aug 20, 2009 21:49:25

mozartpc27 wrote:
FTN wrote:If Ted Williams hadn't essentially lost almost 5 seasons because of the two wars, would he have been the greatest player in history?

He missed his age 24, 25 and 26 seasons, then almost all of his age 33 season, and 3/4 of his age 34 season.

If you just assume he lost on average 30 HR in his 24-26 seasons, and then maybe 35 combined in '52-53, that's another 125, which would give him right around 650. And thats probably a low end estimate, as he hit 37 and 36 the two years before the war, and then 38 in his first year back at age 27.

He could have realistically hit close to 700 HR. He had 2654 hits, but would have easily gone past 3,000. Give him 180 hits per from '43-45, then another 160 in 52 and say another 120 in '53. That would be close to 3,500 hits.

Amazing stuff really.


Yeah, Bill James has said it before and it's true: Ted Williams, not Babe Ruth, is the greatest hitter who ever lived.


I don't know if I'd go that far, but they're probably tied. Ruth still had 714 HR and the only 200 OPS+ in history despite getting very few AB in his first five years because he was a starting pitcher.
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Postby swishnicholson » Thu Aug 20, 2009 22:47:56

Pat Burrell's SLG has poked above .400 for the first time since April.
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Postby Barry Jive » Thu Aug 20, 2009 23:14:41

why did the Phils cut Coste? his OPS vs. righties this year is better than Bako's career OPS vs. righties. what were they even thinking?
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Postby FTN » Thu Aug 20, 2009 23:26:58

Barry Jive wrote:why did the Phils cut Coste? his OPS vs. righties this year is better than Bako's career OPS vs. righties. what were they even thinking?


Bako is 10x better defensively. Coste was a defensive liability.

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Postby Barry Jive » Thu Aug 20, 2009 23:29:07

i figure that's the common answer and all, but is there even a defensive metric for catchers that proves this? from what i understood, there's never been a consistent stat for catchers.
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Postby VFB » Fri Aug 21, 2009 00:26:02

whatever happened to bastardo? has he been out 2 months after that not real serious looking injury? :(

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Postby mcare89 » Fri Aug 21, 2009 00:43:19

VFB wrote:whatever happened to bastardo? has he been out 2 months after that not real serious looking injury? :(

I'm gonna go with "precautionary shutdown."

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Postby uncle milt » Fri Aug 21, 2009 07:17:36

i'm going to the pirates game tonight. i can't wait to see that park, and they're giving away retro 70s caps. and then i get to see ichiro tomorrow. wildwoot!

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Postby cartersDad26 » Fri Aug 21, 2009 07:23:27

uncle milt wrote:i'm going to the pirates game tonight. i can't wait to see that park, and they're giving away retro 70s caps. and then i get to see ichiro tomorrow. wildwoot!


the boxy kind that make one think of Kent Tekulve?

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Postby cartersDad26 » Fri Aug 21, 2009 07:27:50

Has a team ever had 4 guys hit 30+ hr and 100+ rbi?

projected:
Howard 44 hr 134rbi
Werth 38 104
Raul 37 107
Chase 34 108

and for fun:
Jimmy 21 78
Shane 12 74
Pedro 12 84
Carlos 10 38

SICK

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Postby Trent Steele » Fri Aug 21, 2009 08:59:05

Phillies are 63-37 against the NL
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Postby JFLNYC » Fri Aug 21, 2009 09:06:44

Here's what has happened over the last 10 years to the team that finished with the biggest lead in its division:

None won the World Series.

One made it that far.

Four lost in the League Championship Series.

Five were bumped off in the first round.


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Postby phatj » Fri Aug 21, 2009 09:07:48

For God's sake, start losing now!
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Postby GM-Carson » Fri Aug 21, 2009 09:10:40

Despite what recent history shows, I'd rather the Phils keep a large division lead and possibly get home field advantage.

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Postby Werthless » Fri Aug 21, 2009 09:44:22

cartersDad26 wrote:Has a team ever had 4 guys hit 30+ hr and 100+ rbi?

projected:
Howard 44 hr 134rbi
Werth 38 104
Raul 37 107
Chase 34 108

and for fun:
Jimmy 21 78
Shane 12 74
Pedro 12 84
Carlos 10 38

SICK

Off top of head, I remember the 90s Rockies teams were pretty good at hitting HRs:

1996
Galarraga 47 150
Burks 40 128
Castilla 40 113
Bichette 31 141

They also met your qualifications in 1999, narrowly missing in 95 and 97 (4 guys hit 30+ and 4 guys were over 100RBIs... they weren't the same guys).

Other powerhouse teams:
1996 Bal (7 guys with 20+ HRs)
1996 SEA
1997 SEA(264 HRs)
1998 ATL(Andruw Jones was 10 RBI shy)
1999 ARI(Finley was 4 HRs short)
1999 TEX(team steroid)

Holy crap there were a ton of AL teams in the late 90s that could hit HRs. ANA, TOR, OAK, BAL, every team had a season with 220 HRs.

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Postby The Red Tornado » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:16:22

Rockies dont count and the rest were in the height of the steroids era....
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Postby Werthless » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:17:14

Among the 2009 NYY starting 9 hitters, the second lowest OPS+ is 116.

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Postby Werthless » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:18:43

The Red Tornado wrote:Rockies dont count and the rest were in the height of the steroids era....

Is there a way to search team stats on b-r for the above other than by hand? I only looked at the late 90s and the Rockies teams because that's who I thought have done it. (I also glanced at 1987, 1961, 1930)

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Postby Trent Steele » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:02:15

The Phillies have played 8 straight games in under 3 hours.


Excluding extra inning games, 20 of last 22 have been under 3 hours.
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri Aug 21, 2009 13:05:16

JFLNYC wrote:
Here's what has happened over the last 10 years to the team that finished with the biggest lead in its division:

None won the World Series.

One made it that far.

Four lost in the League Championship Series.

Five were bumped off in the first round.


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So, if the season ended today, the Redbirds shouldn't make extended plans...
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