Manny will be a Phillies (version 3.11)

by **Woody** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:31:27

Philly the Kid wrote:Seriously though:

a) the Phils just don't know how to negotiate well?

b) the Phils don't have enough to offer compared to other teams?

c) the Phils over- rate their own situation ?

d) it's about money?

e) the Phils are laughing stocks and get punk'd by the rest of the league?

f) all of the above

g) THE DEAL HASN'T EVEN BEEN MADE YET WE STILL MIGHT GET HIM YA KNOW

by **jerseyhoya** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:32:26

Philly the Kid wrote:Seriously though:

a) the Phils just don't know how to negotiate well?

b) the Phils don't have enough to offer compared to other teams?

c) the Phils over- rate their own situation ?

d) it's about money?

e) the Phils are laughing stocks and get punk'd by the rest of the league?

f) all of the above

We made the best trade so far this year getting Lidge. People dwell on the bad. Why? I don't know. You guys are masochists.

I guess we're pretty dumb as an organization, but we aren't always retarded. It's apparently a lot of fun to ignore everything we do well and just bitch about the things we fuck up.

by **dajafi** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:33:01

I was going to pile on, but as always you guys did the job just fine. Kudos.

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:33:16

red sox playing a game called just the tip

by **Woody** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:33:49

I mean cripes?

by **jp_chips** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:33:57

jerseyhoya wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:Seriously though:

a) the Phils just don't know how to negotiate well?

b) the Phils don't have enough to offer compared to other teams?

c) the Phils over- rate their own situation ?

d) it's about money?

e) the Phils are laughing stocks and get punk'd by the rest of the league?

f) all of the above

We made the best trade so far this year getting Lidge. People dwell on the bad. Why? I don't know. You guys are masochists.

I guess we're pretty dumb as an organization, but we aren't always retarded. It's apparently a lot of fun to ignore everything we do well and just bitch about the things we $#@! up.

by **Philly the Kid** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:37:02

jerseyhoya wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:Seriously though:

a) the Phils just don't know how to negotiate well?

b) the Phils don't have enough to offer compared to other teams?

c) the Phils over- rate their own situation ?

d) it's about money?

e) the Phils are laughing stocks and get punk'd by the rest of the league?

f) all of the above

We made the best trade so far this year getting Lidge. People dwell on the bad. Why? I don't know. You guys are masochists.

I guess we're pretty dumb as an organization, but we aren't always retarded. It's apparently a lot of fun to ignore everything we do well and just bitch about the things we $#@! up.

Well,in my case -- I call them "mediocrity defined", which is different that pure suckitude. They get some things right, they also get lucky. The Rollins deal at the time was silly. But he got better and peaked as an MVP now looks good. Was it a great farm or luck that Rollins, Utley, Howard and Hamels panned out? One Brad Lidge for how many Jose Mesas though? That's what frustrates me. I wouldn't mind Manny like the next guy, but it's the overall inability to properly assess the team in the offseason and try to snow us with Eaton, and then end up with Blanton and watching our competitors make moves...

The Phils just seem lost, or over-matched a lot of the time. That's what medicore is, it isn't 100% messing up, it's not good enough to be the top dog, to win more than you lose and think tactical and strategic.

by **lethal** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:37:41

ekravitz wrote:As reported by MLB.com's Joe Frisaro earlier this evening, the Pirates, Red Sox and Marlins appear to be moving closer to making a blockbuster trade that would send Jason Bay to Boston, Jeremy Hermida to Pittsburgh and Manny Ramirez to Florida.

Multiple baseball sources have confirmed that the three teams remain in dialogue, and according to a report by the Beaver County Times' John Perrotto, a deal could be done as early as this evening.

There is also confirmation that other players would also be involved in such a deal -- that could include the Pirates receiving a Minor Leaguer from the Red Sox farm system.

That deal actually makes sense for all 3 teams.

by **Philly the Kid** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:39:21

lethal wrote:
ekravitz wrote:As reported by MLB.com's Joe Frisaro earlier this evening, the Pirates, Red Sox and Marlins appear to be moving closer to making a blockbuster trade that would send Jason Bay to Boston, Jeremy Hermida to Pittsburgh and Manny Ramirez to Florida.

Multiple baseball sources have confirmed that the three teams remain in dialogue, and according to a report by the Beaver County Times' John Perrotto, a deal could be done as early as this evening.

There is also confirmation that other players would also be involved in such a deal -- that could include the Pirates receiving a Minor Leaguer from the Red Sox farm system.

That deal actually makes sense for all 3 teams.

Why are the Pirates getting rid of their top guys? At least beane gets a lot of minor leaguers...?

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:40:09

Hermida is young?

The Pirates blow?

Need to re-build?

by **jerseyhoya** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:40:47

Philly the Kid wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:Seriously though:

a) the Phils just don't know how to negotiate well?

b) the Phils don't have enough to offer compared to other teams?

c) the Phils over- rate their own situation ?

d) it's about money?

e) the Phils are laughing stocks and get punk'd by the rest of the league?

f) all of the above

We made the best trade so far this year getting Lidge. People dwell on the bad. Why? I don't know. You guys are masochists.

I guess we're pretty dumb as an organization, but we aren't always retarded. It's apparently a lot of fun to ignore everything we do well and just bitch about the things we $#@! up.

Well,in my case -- I call them "mediocrity defined", which is different that pure suckitude. They get some things right, they also get lucky. The Rollins deal at the time was silly. But he got better and peaked as an MVP now looks good. Was it a great farm or luck that Rollins, Utley, Howard and Hamels panned out? One Brad Lidge for how many Jose Mesas though? That's what frustrates me. I wouldn't mind Manny like the next guy, but it's the overall inability to properly assess the team in the offseason and try to snow us with Eaton, and then end up with Blanton and watching our competitors make moves...

The Phils just seem lost, or over-matched a lot of the time. That's what medicore is, it isn't 100% messing up, it's not good enough to be the top dog, to win more than you lose and think tactical and strategic.

So basically everything we get right is luck and everything we do wrong is because we're overmatched or lost?

by **wehatetolose42** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:40:53

MLB.com says we're moving closer to the three-team deal. The Pirates could receive a minor leaguer from the Red Sox. Dejan Kovacevic says the Pirates would receive four or more prospects for Bay, as well as Hermida. John Grabow could end up in Boston or Florida. Perrotto says it could be expanded to have Jed Lowrie go to Pittsburgh and Jack Wilson to Boston. The Bucs also like Red Sox prospect Hunter Jones.

by **Woody** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:41:13

The Pirates have no monies?

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:41:55

23 player deal.

KR and jp_chips have the details at 11

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:42:14

Pat Burrell was lifted from the Phils' game for no good reason. Trade coming???

by **lethal** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:44:15

wehatetolose42 wrote:MLB.com says we're moving closer to the three-team deal. The Pirates could receive a minor leaguer from the Red Sox. Dejan Kovacevic says the Pirates would receive four or more prospects for Bay, as well as Hermida. John Grabow could end up in Boston or Florida. Perrotto says it could be expanded to have Jed Lowrie go to Pittsburgh and Jack Wilson to Boston. The Bucs also like Red Sox prospect Hunter Jones.

The Pirates could get half of what they need to rebuild in one fell swoop by trading away Bay, Grabow and Wilson. Who would've thought?

by **MoBettle** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:44:15

Philly the Kid wrote:One Brad Lidge for how many Jose Mesas though? That's what frustrates me.

We've pretty much had a good closer every year since Mesa left the first time in 2003. I guess Gordon stunk the 2nd half of 06, plus when Myers was hurt last year.

Most middle relievers by definition will suck.

by **Philly the Kid** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:45:20

How bout Eaton, Kendrick, Blanton for

Floyd, Padilla, Lohse ...

bad dream....

by **Philly the Kid** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:46:46

jerseyhoya wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:Seriously though:

a) the Phils just don't know how to negotiate well?

b) the Phils don't have enough to offer compared to other teams?

c) the Phils over- rate their own situation ?

d) it's about money?

e) the Phils are laughing stocks and get punk'd by the rest of the league?

f) all of the above

We made the best trade so far this year getting Lidge. People dwell on the bad. Why? I don't know. You guys are masochists.

I guess we're pretty dumb as an organization, but we aren't always retarded. It's apparently a lot of fun to ignore everything we do well and just bitch about the things we $#@! up.

Well,in my case -- I call them "mediocrity defined", which is different that pure suckitude. They get some things right, they also get lucky. The Rollins deal at the time was silly. But he got better and peaked as an MVP now looks good. Was it a great farm or luck that Rollins, Utley, Howard and Hamels panned out? One Brad Lidge for how many Jose Mesas though? That's what frustrates me. I wouldn't mind Manny like the next guy, but it's the overall inability to properly assess the team in the offseason and try to snow us with Eaton, and then end up with Blanton and watching our competitors make moves...

The Phils just seem lost, or over-matched a lot of the time. That's what medicore is, it isn't 100% messing up, it's not good enough to be the top dog, to win more than you lose and think tactical and strategic.

So basically everything we get right is luck and everything we do wrong is because we're overmatched or lost?

No, I'm saying they are medicore. Manuel was not the best choice for manager. Gillick was not the best choice for GM. And they have had some great talent and a strong nucleus and have failed to support it and build off it to get us to or win a WS. That's what mediocrity IS.

by **jp_chips** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:51:10

Philly the Kid wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:Seriously though:

a) the Phils just don't know how to negotiate well?

b) the Phils don't have enough to offer compared to other teams?

c) the Phils over- rate their own situation ?

d) it's about money?

e) the Phils are laughing stocks and get punk'd by the rest of the league?

f) all of the above

We made the best trade so far this year getting Lidge. People dwell on the bad. Why? I don't know. You guys are masochists.

I guess we're pretty dumb as an organization, but we aren't always retarded. It's apparently a lot of fun to ignore everything we do well and just bitch about the things we $#@! up.

Well,in my case -- I call them "mediocrity defined", which is different that pure suckitude. They get some things right, they also get lucky. The Rollins deal at the time was silly. But he got better and peaked as an MVP now looks good. Was it a great farm or luck that Rollins, Utley, Howard and Hamels panned out? One Brad Lidge for how many Jose Mesas though? That's what frustrates me. I wouldn't mind Manny like the next guy, but it's the overall inability to properly assess the team in the offseason and try to snow us with Eaton, and then end up with Blanton and watching our competitors make moves...

The Phils just seem lost, or over-matched a lot of the time. That's what medicore is, it isn't 100% messing up, it's not good enough to be the top dog, to win more than you lose and think tactical and strategic.

How are we overmatched when we have been battling for 1st place the last three years.If your measuring stick is Bos.,NYY,NYM,LAA or Cubs then your right we are overmatched against their fan base,and their TV contracts.Those teams have more resources than us.Until we get more of a national audience an a TV station that can supply more of an income we will have to stay somewhere around the budget we have now.

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