Manny will be a Phillies (version 3.11)

by **CrashburnAlley** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:51:18

I was thinking, Jamie Moyer might be Gillick's greatest acquisition. You can argue Lohse as well, but the two guys that were traded for Moyer -- Andrew Baldwin and Andrew Barb -- either are performing terribly (Baldwin) or haven't thrown a pitch this season (Barb). Moyer has given us two seasons of above-average pitching, looks to be able to give us two more months, and maybe more if he doesn't retire. He hasn't spent any time on the disabled list and has been a mentor to a lot of players on the team.

by **kenrosenthal** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:52:53

Grabow could go to Florida with Stanton joining the Pirates. Interestingly, the Pirates are still talking to the Rays about Bay.

by **dajafi** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:53:13

CrashburnAlley wrote:I was thinking, Jamie Moyer might be Gillick's greatest acquisition. You can argue Lohse as well, but the two guys that were traded for Moyer -- Andrew Baldwin and Andrew Barb -- either are performing terribly (Baldwin) or haven't thrown a pitch this season (Barb). Moyer has given us two seasons of above-average pitching, looks to be able to give us two more months, and maybe more if he doesn't retire. He hasn't spent any time on the disabled list and has been a mentor to a lot of players on the team.

Moyer, Lidge, Werth, Lohse, Iguchi, Romero, Rowand. Throw in Durbin if you like.

For all we like to rip on Gillick, his track record really isn't bad.

by **jp_chips** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:53:42

FTN wrote:23 player deal.

KR and jp_chips have the details at 11

Yeh im getting something now..........what......ok.....ok.......hold on BSG this seems BIG.

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:55:49

dynamite.

by **wehatetolose42** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:56:18

9:52 PM. Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus says the Red Sox, Pirates and Marlins have agreed to a three-team Manny Ramirez deal, pending Ramirez waiving his no-trade clause and league approval.

by **kenrosenthal** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:57:01

dajafi wrote:Moyer, Lidge, Werth, Lohse, Iguchi, Romero, Rowand. Throw in Durbin if you like.

For all we like to rip on Gillick, his track record really isn't bad.

you are correct, the role players he has picked up have been great (the people above). but when you trade away your number 1 prospect (cardenas) for a fat pitcher, trade GIO and GAVIN for an injured pitcher, and trade an above average RF for CJ Henry, people are always going to complain

by **kenrosenthal** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:57:32

Marlins, Red Sox, Pirates Talking Manny Trade
By Tim Dierkes [July 30 at 8:52pm CST]

8:50pm: Will Carroll believes the Commissioner's Office has been informed of a Red Sox-Pirates-Marlins trade even though the teams haven't agreed on the prospects. Here's how he sees it:

Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez’s remaining salary)
Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)
Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow

by **wehatetolose42** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:59:00

kenrosenthal wrote:
dajafi wrote:Moyer, Lidge, Werth, Lohse, Iguchi, Romero, Rowand. Throw in Durbin if you like.

For all we like to rip on Gillick, his track record really isn't bad.

you are correct, the role players he has picked up have been great (the people above). but when you trade away your number 1 prospect (cardenas) for a fat pitcher, trade GIO and GAVIN for an injured pitcher, and trade an above average RF for CJ Henry, people are always going to complain

He has made a number of moves that haven't panned out either.

by **dajafi** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:59:28

kenrosenthal wrote:
dajafi wrote:Moyer, Lidge, Werth, Lohse, Iguchi, Romero, Rowand. Throw in Durbin if you like.

For all we like to rip on Gillick, his track record really isn't bad.

you are correct, the role players he has picked up have been great (the people above). but when you trade away your number 1 prospect (cardenas) for a fat pitcher, trade GIO and GAVIN for an injured pitcher, and trade an above average RF for CJ Henry, people are always going to complain

That's all true. Not arguing he's been spotless by any stretch, and the due diligence--on Garcia especially but other guys too--often has been lacking.

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 21:59:51

Man if the Pirates had never hired Littlefield they might be decent now. Great trade for the 'rates

by **Philly the Kid** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 22:02:51

dajafi wrote:
CrashburnAlley wrote:I was thinking, Jamie Moyer might be Gillick's greatest acquisition. You can argue Lohse as well, but the two guys that were traded for Moyer -- Andrew Baldwin and Andrew Barb -- either are performing terribly (Baldwin) or haven't thrown a pitch this season (Barb). Moyer has given us two seasons of above-average pitching, looks to be able to give us two more months, and maybe more if he doesn't retire. He hasn't spent any time on the disabled list and has been a mentor to a lot of players on the team.

Moyer, Lidge, Werth, Lohse, Iguchi, Romero, Rowand. Throw in Durbin if you like.

For all we like to rip on Gillick, his track record really isn't bad.

3 of those guys are gone though....

by **jerseyhoya** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 22:03:09

Oh my fucking lord.

by **Woody** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 22:03:53

Lidle is gone, too. Don't forget him.

by **karn** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 22:04:08

IS THEIR LAME PITCHING GOING TO GET MAGICALLY GOOD??

by **CrashburnAlley** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 22:04:16

Woody wrote:Lidle is gone, too. Don't forget him.

All he ever did was gamble and eat ice cream.

[/Arthur Rhodes]

by **karn** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 22:04:47

And if Manny thinks Boston treats its players like crap...weren't the Marlins pretty much FOUNDED on that principle?

by **wehatetolose42** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 22:04:47

Philly the Kid wrote:
dajafi wrote:
CrashburnAlley wrote:I was thinking, Jamie Moyer might be Gillick's greatest acquisition. You can argue Lohse as well, but the two guys that were traded for Moyer -- Andrew Baldwin and Andrew Barb -- either are performing terribly (Baldwin) or haven't thrown a pitch this season (Barb). Moyer has given us two seasons of above-average pitching, looks to be able to give us two more months, and maybe more if he doesn't retire. He hasn't spent any time on the disabled list and has been a mentor to a lot of players on the team.

Moyer, Lidge, Werth, Lohse, Iguchi, Romero, Rowand. Throw in Durbin if you like.

For all we like to rip on Gillick, his track record really isn't bad.

3 of those guys are gone though....

And 5 of them were low risk, good reward type moves. His high risk move for Lidge has paid off, but he hasn't done anything were you say it dramatically improves the team outside of acquiring lidge and you include rowand, but rowand also almost killed chase utley.

by **jerseyhoya** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 22:04:48

Woody wrote:Lidle is gone, too. Don't forget him.

He is not forgotten. RIP.

Praise be to Christ.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 22:04:57

dajafi wrote:
CrashburnAlley wrote:I was thinking, Jamie Moyer might be Gillick's greatest acquisition. You can argue Lohse as well, but the two guys that were traded for Moyer -- Andrew Baldwin and Andrew Barb -- either are performing terribly (Baldwin) or haven't thrown a pitch this season (Barb). Moyer has given us two seasons of above-average pitching, looks to be able to give us two more months, and maybe more if he doesn't retire. He hasn't spent any time on the disabled list and has been a mentor to a lot of players on the team.

Moyer, Lidge, Werth, Lohse, Iguchi, Romero, Rowand. Throw in Durbin if you like.

For all we like to rip on Gillick, his track record really isn't bad.

His dumpster dives have been good. The Lidge trade was great. The Thome deal was worthwhile. The Garcia/Blanton/Abreu deals were ass rapings. The Burrell-Rodrigo Lopez deal would have been armageddon.

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