Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby LastTrain » Wed Sep 30, 2020 00:20:40

06hawkalum wrote:After four years of Trump's faux alpha BS, America is ready for a "beta" (aka "decent human being") to lead it.


I don't think so. While agreeing with the Trump portrayal, people still want to know a strong person is dealing with the Putins of the world.

I think Biden would be well-served to totally tune out anything Trump says and simply make his points. Not possible with the louder voice of Trump overpowering him, so I agree with phan's thought of muting mics and we said the same in our house tonight. I'd assume the campaigns won't even consider it but it would help us as the audience so much.

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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby 06hawkalum » Wed Sep 30, 2020 00:27:58

LastTrain wrote:
06hawkalum wrote:After four years of Trump's faux alpha BS, America is ready for a "beta" (aka "decent human being") to lead it.


I don't think so. While agreeing with the Trump portrayal, people still want to know a strong person is dealing with the Putins of the world.

I think Biden would be well-served to totally tune out anything Trump says and simply make his points. Not possible with the louder voice of Trump overpowering him, so I agree with phan's thought of muting mics and we said the same in our house tonight. I'd assume the campaigns won't even consider it but it would help us as the audience so much.


Come on man, no one outside of the Trump cult thinks Don The Con is a "strong person."

To the contrary, to anyone with capacity for critical thought, he is a laughingstock.
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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby threecount » Wed Sep 30, 2020 00:43:47

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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby MoBettle » Wed Sep 30, 2020 00:58:12

Muting the mics seems to be pretty clear treating the symptom rather than the disease.
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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby threecount » Wed Sep 30, 2020 01:03:32

Hopefully the Town Hall style will be more civilized...Biden seemed to do well in that two weeks back

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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby LastTrain » Wed Sep 30, 2020 06:39:02

06hawkalum wrote:Come on man, no one outside of the Trump cult thinks Don The Con is a "strong person."


I obviously didn't communicate clearly. I agree with you (which I tried to communicate by saying "while agreeing with the Trump portrayal"). The comment about people wanting to know a strong person is President was my interpretation of Biden's night. He wasn't that guy either.

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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby ReadingPhilly » Wed Sep 30, 2020 07:15:18

JFLNYC wrote:Unfortunately tonight I think we witnessed one of the lowest points in the history of our country.


and then the calendar turned to wednesday.

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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby momadance » Wed Sep 30, 2020 08:57:13

06hawkalum wrote:Even some the conservative trolls on PT (an unmoderated shitshow of a Phish board) are already waving the white flag of defeat.

Trump is an abomination and he made that crystal clear on national TV tonight.

Congrats Joe!


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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby momadance » Wed Sep 30, 2020 08:58:18

06hawkalum wrote:
Slowhand wrote:
06hawkalum wrote:Even some the conservative trolls on PT (an unmoderated shitshow of a Phish board) are already waving the white flag of defeat.

Trump is an abomination and he made that crystal clear on national TV tonight.

Congrats Joe!


I didn't think there was such thing as a conservative Phish fan.


There aren’t. Pretty sure it’s a bunch of 8channers who collectively picked the board to fuck with the hippies.


I have a total wook friend who's a trumper. Also, he only has 3 or 4 brain cells.

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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby Slowhand » Wed Sep 30, 2020 09:01:20

MoBettle wrote:Muting the mics seems to be pretty clear treating the symptom rather than the disease.


True, but you can’t cure Trump. I gave up after 5 minutes because it was completely unlistenable. Put them in separate rooms, give them their two minutes to say whatever they want without interruption and then cut their mic. Just completely pointless to have two people try to yell at and over each other.
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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby Slowhand » Wed Sep 30, 2020 09:24:34

Can't say I have super fond memories of Ty Kelly in a Phillies uniform, but he's a fun guy to follow on Twitter.

@tykelly11 wrote:“I brought back football.”

K, now do the 200,000 humans.
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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Sep 30, 2020 09:26:10

he brought back football

so his tribe could post about how they're not watching it

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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Sep 30, 2020 09:26:45

Slowhand wrote:
MoBettle wrote:Muting the mics seems to be pretty clear treating the symptom rather than the disease.


True, but you can’t cure Trump. I gave up after 5 minutes because it was completely unlistenable. Put them in separate rooms, give them their two minutes to say whatever they want without interruption and then cut their mic. Just completely pointless to have two people try to yell at and over each other.


It was mostly one person yelling over the other two, to be fair.

I guess the climate change part was the closest they got to having an actual debate? Biden was trying to get through a checklist of things and then Trump ultimately did just start yelling "Green New Deal," and "You've lost the left!" over and over.

It gave me a headache, truly.

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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby heyeaglefn » Wed Sep 30, 2020 09:39:17

Bucky wrote:he brought back football

so his tribe could post about how they're not watching it

I think college football is ok for them.

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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Sep 30, 2020 09:40:42

Here's my take: Neither lost their base--though that wasn't going to happen anyway. I don't think Biden lost any "lean Biden" voters. Trump may have lost a few of his lean voters--not that they'll switch to Biden, but they might now stay home or vote 3rd party. Apparently, and unsurprisingly, ratings nose dived after the first few minutes, so even there I think the impact will be minimal.

I have seen a weird take, seemingly mostly from Republican types, that Biden will cancel the next two debates. This of course is ridiculous. But it might reflect their fear that Trump turned in the absolute best performance he's capable of, and is likely to do much worse in the next two.
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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby threecount » Wed Sep 30, 2020 09:42:46

I heard somebody bring up an idea on TV this morning...won't happen though...

Have ONE podium....a question is asked....one person gets two minutes to answer while the other is sitting off to the side with no mic...then the other person comes up and gives their rebuttal...

Can't be any worse than this crap show from last night...

I still think the Town Hall format in two weeks will be better...less chance to interrupt...

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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby Squire » Wed Sep 30, 2020 09:45:42

mcare89 wrote:
Wolfgang622 wrote:Next time, if Trump comes out like this again, which I will have to assume he will, I hope Biden, rather than calling names like "clown" or "worst president ever," just gets coached at a particular chosen moment, probably while COVID is being discussed, and simply call attention to the behavior and situation itself, say something like:

"Folks, let's just stop a minute. What we need right now is a leader, someone who can be calm, clear, level-headed, someone who can inspire these qualities in others. Look at our President right now. He knows he's behind in the polls, he knows it's getting close to the election, and he is panicked and desperate. And how do we know? Because he's behaving as panicked and desperate people do: he is unable to concentrate on one topic at a time; he interrupts constantly; he talks a lot but fails to put a coherent thought together. We can't have a panicked, easily rattled megalomaniac as our president, and especially not now, when so much needs calm, level-headed, quick but measured planning and doing. We can't have this."

As Augustus said, he did fine, but room for improvement. I don't know that any needles get moved no matter what he said, but if the 1980 debate was about the American people just checking into make sure Reagan wasn't an unhinged lunatic before handing him the keys, this is that idea on methamphetamines laced with cocaine and ecstasy.

There are seven complete sentences in that response, what makes you think he would get through one of them interrupted?


What mcare89 said. There is no response that Trump won't scream over.

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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby mickbayne » Wed Sep 30, 2020 09:45:46

JUburton wrote:philly people let me know when you get your ballot or notice of its shipment. just want to make sure mine doesn't disappear.

Got an email last night saying it's on the way.
Another day, another box of stolen pens.

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Re: Who's the Master Debater? The Latest Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Wed Sep 30, 2020 09:46:52

mickbayne wrote:
JUburton wrote:philly people let me know when you get your ballot or notice of its shipment. just want to make sure mine doesn't disappear.

Got an email last night saying it's on the way.

yeah i fished my wish. my informed delivery email has our ballot scans in them. so hopefully this week.

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