stevemc wrote:I respect your post JUburton. It's insensitive of me to project in this way. Bad coping on my part. The changing of the court will damage women and especially the poor when you consider the inevitable repeal of the ACA.

I still hope for change.

In August, Republicans added a party record of almost 58,000 new voters — a 91 percent increase compared to August 2016, the Florida election data show. The number of new Republicans added in August is 41 percent more than the number of new Democrats who registered. Democratic registration, meanwhile, was 6 percent lower than the total racked up in August 2016.

“We’ve turned our focus to voter registration in a more meaningful way than before. Everyone said you can’t do it — get the gap between Republicans and Democrats to such a small number. Well, you can do it,” Susie Wiles, the Florida campaign director for Trump, told POLITICO.

“We did it through the mail, but the main way we had success was at the doors,” she said. “And because the Democrats aren’t meeting people at their doors like our campaign is doing, we are having great success.”

Houshphandzadeh wrote:plenty of pro-choice advocates have been arguing for decades that Roe vs Wade is a really flimsy protection and that it would have been better, and would be better now, to argue the case state by state. it isn't a new idea

Gimpy wrote:Aren't there a ton of people who vote R solely due to their pro-life stance? If Roe v Wade is overturned, do those people lose interest or do they keep reliably voting R so that they can keep the fight going?

Gimpy wrote:Aren't there a ton of people who vote R solely due to their pro-life stance? If Roe v Wade is overturned, do those people lose interest or do they keep reliably voting R so that they can keep the fight going?

TenuredVulture wrote:For many poor women in rural states, a legal abortion is already effectively unavailable. The only legal abortion provider in Arkansas is I believe in Little Rock.

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Monkeyboy wrote:

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Squire wrote:Trump won 2016 by obliterating Hillary in one demographic (non college educated white voters (64-28). That demographic made up 45% of the electorate in 2016 and has shrunk to 41% in 2020. Also, I am thinking you are going to see an uptick in 18-22 college enrolled voters this year because many of them are at home in their home districts rather than on campus.

I spend a lot of time with the 18-22 year old group. They are pretty unhappy with the way things are going.

but will they drag their asses to the polls? Do you get the sense more of them are going to vote?

Anguish is useless if it doesn't lead to action.

I think so. Some are really cynical though.

TenuredVulture wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

stevemc wrote:Interesting "Daily" podcast yesterday with a politically connected pro-life advocate. The discussion centered around how this organization has been building to this moment for 25 years and now that it is at hand, they are pushing all the chips in. She was very composed, picked her words carefully and she was extremely diplomatic in the approach. She emphasized the most important thing on her agenda and should be for every Republican is to get the Supreme Court in a position to overturn Roe v Wade. Suggesting everything else should be cast aside in order to achieve this goal. Host Michael Babaro pointed out how RGB actually did not like the Roe v Wade verdict bc it went so far and was so absolute that it left too many adversaries and that it would lead to this moment in time. He asked the advocate if taking this measure of a quick appointment may have the same result. She didn't think so but she said it ultimately didn't matter as long as the end goal is achieved. It will leave abortion rights to the states.

This left me thinking that as painful as it may be to lose Roe v Wade and the suffering it will cause for so many people, it may also ultimately bring about the end of the Republican party as we know it. The idea being Republican politicians will foresake most of their agenda in order to focus on this sole position in order to win. As pointed out in the podcast, the majority of America is pro-choice. When left to states' rights, there are many states that have Republican control of state government with the electorate not necessarily in lock-step with the pro-life leaning of the state house. It seems to me these states could turn more and more blue due to this issue and eventually vote out the pro-life supporters. Wait until a moderately Republican state loses the right to choose. It's a long process but one that may eventually bring about change. Believe me, I don't want to see what appears to be inevitable over these ensuing weeks. My silver lining is that this next month could be the catalyst for the significant change our democracy really needs even if the change is a slow burn with a long timespan to fruition.

Moz had a similar post prior to RBG's passing that was a little more... I can't think of the correct adjective and I do not want to step on Moz' toes when I don't mean to. I just think there are so many unintended consequences that we cannot comprehend. Poor women in states that outlaw abortion will either be forced to travel 100+ miles or take a less safe course of action. Also this could lead to shuttering women's clinics who may have abortion options but also provide other woman's health services that might not be available in rural <insert state here>.

For many poor women in rural states, a legal abortion is already effectively unavailable. The only abortion provider in Arkansas is I believe in Little Rock.

Slowhand wrote:Florida Republicans see surge in voter registration

In August, Republicans added a party record of almost 58,000 new voters — a 91 percent increase compared to August 2016, the Florida election data show. The number of new Republicans added in August is 41 percent more than the number of new Democrats who registered. Democratic registration, meanwhile, was 6 percent lower than the total racked up in August 2016.

“We’ve turned our focus to voter registration in a more meaningful way than before. Everyone said you can’t do it — get the gap between Republicans and Democrats to such a small number. Well, you can do it,” Susie Wiles, the Florida campaign director for Trump, told POLITICO.

“We did it through the mail, but the main way we had success was at the doors,” she said. “And because the Democrats aren’t meeting people at their doors like our campaign is doing, we are having great success.”

Booooo