Augustus wrote:I think it’s going to be even uglier this time. He’s going to get super personal with Joe to try and fluster him. Hunter, drug use accusations, whatever he thinks it takes.

The Savior wrote:

Bucky wrote:truth of the matter is that we don't know what covid is going to look like anywhere on 11/3. And we even knew less when this path had to be chosen. This is by far the best option.

This. Hindsight isn’t 20/20.

Imagine if they didn’t take this path and the pandemic became significantly worse, and many people decided to NOT show up and vote.

Option A - no VBM, no virus outbreak, all done in person (good for Dems)
Option B - no VBM, virus outbreak, voters don’t show up (very bad for dems)
Option C - VBM, in person voting, risk of votes not all counting (ok for dems)

Sometimes, you play the odds to avoid the worst outcome. That’s what the dems did, and I think it will be fine overall. Not great, a challenge sure, but overall fine.

The Savior wrote:

Bucky wrote:truth of the matter is that we don't know what covid is going to look like anywhere on 11/3. And we even knew less when this path had to be chosen. This is by far the best option.

This. Hindsight isn’t 20/20.

Imagine if they didn’t take this path and the pandemic became significantly worse, and many people decided to NOT show up and vote.

Option A - no VBM, no virus outbreak, all done in person (good for Dems)
Option B - no VBM, virus outbreak, voters don’t show up (very bad for dems)
Option C - VBM, in person voting, risk of votes not all counting (ok for dems)

Sometimes, you play the odds to avoid the worst outcome. That’s what the dems did, and I think it will be fine overall. Not great, a challenge sure, but overall fine.

momadance wrote:Second time today that Lindsey was on Fox begging for money. Hannity cuts him off.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1309303 ... 29921?s=19

momadance wrote:Second time today that Lindsey was on Fox begging for money. Hannity cuts him off.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1309303 ... 29921?s=19

swishnicholson wrote:

The Savior wrote:

Bucky wrote:truth of the matter is that we don't know what covid is going to look like anywhere on 11/3. And we even knew less when this path had to be chosen. This is by far the best option.

This. Hindsight isn’t 20/20.

Imagine if they didn’t take this path and the pandemic became significantly worse, and many people decided to NOT show up and vote.

Option A - no VBM, no virus outbreak, all done in person (good for Dems)
Option B - no VBM, virus outbreak, voters don’t show up (very bad for dems)
Option C - VBM, in person voting, risk of votes not all counting (ok for dems)

Sometimes, you play the odds to avoid the worst outcome. That’s what the dems did, and I think it will be fine overall. Not great, a challenge sure, but overall fine.

No Vote by Mail was never an option though. All states have a vote by mail procedure, and by all means it should have been widely promoted and opened up to all who felt unsafe casting a ballot in person. Part of my feeling is a little New Jersey-centric, of course. If I were to insist on voting in person my only options are to bring my mail-in ballot to a polling place (dumb) or cast a provisional ballot. So I won't do either, since my interest in casting a ballot in person is due to wanting to feel (and I do realize it's just a feeling ) that my ballot is more likely to be counted promptly. I don't think it ever had to be or should be either/or. If you get 30-50% doing mail-in ballots, conducting in person voting becomes that much easier anyway. Here that's not really a choice though, and i think a lot of people are going to struggle with in ways a lot greater than my simple annoyance, if only because if people have chosen a way of doing something they are farmore like to carry through. Here, there's not really a choice.

Werthless wrote:I cherish every piece of Trump mail that reaches my mailbox. Burning money!

Wolfgang622 wrote:

threecount wrote:I did read another article though that Biden is all over the TV there with ads and Trump pulled out of all TV buys there...

If that is true, it can only be because the Trump campaign believes Ohio is a baked cake and in the bag for their candidate. He cannot lose Ohio and plausibly win the election, so pulling ad buys there as a concession would make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Augustus wrote:I think it’s going to be even uglier this time. He’s going to get super personal with Joe to try and fluster him. Hunter, drug use accusations, whatever he thinks it takes.

thephan wrote:Trump said he sending out $200 cards to 33 million seniors before the election so that I can help them with their drug costs. Where is that $6,600,000,000 coming from? He tried to pull something like that with the pharmaceutical companies, that is when talks broke down with them.

Just another buy a vote scheme where he is trying to play a game to try to make the Democrats look bad when it doesn’t get through the funding requirements.

thephan wrote:Mark Warnrer’s Campaign has been running ads that are more like PSAs. I guess his opposition is such a nonstarter that he’s not even really running campaign ads. I was actually floored when I found a debate on NBC with his competitor. I guess I was especially surprised because the moderators included Chuck Todd, but that makes sense because the NBC affiliate in DC is owned by the parent company, and what was Chuck doing on Wednesday night anyway.

I honestly couldn’t make it through the opening remarks since the guy running against Warner restating his positions on things that immediately fell into the flip-flop attack. I really wasn’t learning anything about the guy except that he is taking the old-school mad dog attack approach to politics.

I previously got something stuck on my door about him except that he went on and on about how he’s an outsider, after retiring from the military, where he worked with the Bush administration, and also where he got his masters degree and PhD in public administration. Sounds like a guy has been auditioning for the part for a long time really.

Warner’s lead is 52% to 39% with a 3.2% margin of error.

Fox News won a court case by 'persuasively' arguing that no 'reasonable viewer' takes Tucker Carlson seriously

Werthless wrote:https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9

Fox News won a court case by 'persuasively' arguing that no 'reasonable viewer' takes Tucker Carlson seriously