Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Fri Jul 03, 2020 23:07:40

why are they traveling when she has covid
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby Slowhand » Fri Jul 03, 2020 23:41:47

pacino wrote:why are they traveling when she has covid


Because it's a stupid thing to do and that's what they do.
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby The Savior » Sat Jul 04, 2020 06:08:38

By tomorrow, she will have tested negative and WH will say LOOK SEE THE NUMBERS ARE BULLSHIT
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby The Savior » Sat Jul 04, 2020 06:29:21

WH banking on FoxNews carrying its water that we have to “learn to live with” COVID. That’s the new messaging coming from the WH this week per news outlets. I don’t think he mentioned the pandemic once last night.
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby The Savior » Sat Jul 04, 2020 06:31:50

Also, there are reports that Ratcliff has his analytics people working to poke holes in Russia intel. So, means we literally have people in our government working for Putin and his people.
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby Uncle Milty » Sat Jul 04, 2020 07:09:01

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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Sat Jul 04, 2020 07:19:10

For all their bolster about routing out Trump Enabler’s, what are the chances they actually go after McConnell? I think that answer tells who the Lincoln project actually has, but it’ll be fun while it lasts.
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Sat Jul 04, 2020 07:34:10

Tucker Carlson’s audience is booming — and so is chatter that the popular Fox News host will parlay his TV perch into a run for president in 2024.


Now that the world needs

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/0 ... ans-348334
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Sat Jul 04, 2020 09:02:30

I was done once I got to this:

He’s a talented communicator with a massive platform. I think if he runs he’d be formidable,” said Luke Thompson, a Republican strategist who worked for Jeb Bush’s super PAC in 2016.

He is a lying piece of shit. End of story.

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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Sat Jul 04, 2020 09:40:44

Iowa refused help from the CDC in favor of the meatpacking company:
Pedati wrote back to say she would be seeking onsite assistance, but didn’t provide any of the requested information on the Iowa outbreaks. Instead, she suggested she and the CDC official speak by phone.

Several hours after the phone call took place, Pedati wrote to the federal agency again, this time to say she wouldn’t be seeking the CDC’s assistance with the meatpacking plants, at least for now.

She wrote: “We are still working on gathering a little more information from our partners, and so are not quite yet ready to make a request but if it’s OK I would like to keep in touch as things evolve.” (“Partners” is a word frequently used by Gov. Reynolds to refer to the meatpacking industry.)

Five days later, on April 20, during her then-daily news conference, Gov. Reynolds said publicly she had “been on the phone with the CEO and the management team for all Tyson plants to talk about what they’re doing proactively to make sure that they’re protecting their workforce, the strategies that they put in place to mitigate, to let them know that we do have the capacity to do surveillance testing.”

Nine hours after Reynolds’ press conference, the same CDC official Pedati had spoken to earlier wrote to Pedati and again offered the federal agency’s assistance with the meatpacking plant outbreaks in Iowa.

The CDC official noted that in other states the CDC was helping in the meatpacking plants by coordinating the response and assisting with contact tracing, data entry, employee screening, foreign language barriers and other issues.

The available records give no indication of whether, or how, Pedati responded. An Iowa Department of Public Health spokesperson did not respond to questions from the Iowa Capital Dispatch about the CDC’s offer.

Within two weeks of Pedati’s exchange with the CDC, more than 1,600 workers at four Iowa meatpacking plants would be infected with COVID-19.

Within a few weeks of that exchange, the state began curtailing its reporting of outbreaks in the meatpacking plants. Initially, the Iowa Department of Public Health said it would announce outbreaks at any plant where more than 10% of the workers tested positive.

Gov. Reynolds then said such outbreaks would only be reported by her administration if reporters first asked about them.

“I trust the media to do their job and continue to ask the questions,” she said at a May 26 press conference. “We’re being as transparent as we can in providing Iowans with about as much information as we can … The media will do their part, and we’ll do ours.”
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Jul 04, 2020 09:47:18

A bunch more secret service agents are tested positive. I wonder if that might put a strain on remaining agents.
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Sat Jul 04, 2020 09:51:34

Ohio has some doozy legislators:
In a Facebook post last week, Rep. Jon Cross, R-Kenton, campaigned on refusing to wear masks, let alone supportinng legislation requiring them.

“It’s my RIGHT not to wear a mask, and I do NOT support a government that tries to quarantine the healthy,” he wrote.

Rep. Nino Vitale, R-Urbana, takes to social media regularly to promote baseless conspiracy theories about masks limiting blood oxygen or how they “force virus into the brain.”

Rep. Candice Keller, R-Middletown, produced a Facebook video June 25 criticizing Ohio’s Bureau of Workers’ Compensation for distributing masks to Ohio businesses.

Despite the lawmakers’ claims, research suggests masks are an effective, inexpensive and uninvasive way to slow the spread of COVID-19.
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sat Jul 04, 2020 13:16:42

No one is going to win a U.S. presidential election by 14 points,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said of the Times-Siena poll.


Maybe maybe not. I could see it being close but I think there is a possibility of a blowout - that normal Americans finally see that trump is a fraud based on his performance in 2020. Plus maybe all the negatives stories over the past 4 years have a cumulative effect. Trump fatigue?

Anyway av14 point defeat may be the only thing that can push the republics party back towards normalcy
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Jul 04, 2020 13:26:12

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No one is going to win a U.S. presidential election by 14 points,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said of the Times-Siena poll.


Maybe maybe not. I could see it being close but I think there is a possibility of a blowout - that normal Americans finally see that trump is a fraud based on his performance in 2020. Plus maybe all the negatives stories over the past 4 years have a cumulative effect. Trump fatigue?

Anyway av14 point defeat may be the only thing that can push the republics party back towards normalcy


I'm not sure that's even possible at this point. Who could both unite the various factions of the party and reach out to independents? Pretty much every R Senator is tied to Trump, and pretty much every Republican governor has shit the bed with Covid response. Mitt Romney seems pretty lonely these days. Bloomberg? (Kidding.)
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby jamiethekiller » Sat Jul 04, 2020 13:51:22

TenuredVulture wrote:and pretty much every Republican governor has shit the bed with Covid response.


I'd probably say the otherwise. 5 of 6 states that ordered NH patients who were positive in the hospital back to NH were run by Democrat governor's. Those 6 states all have over 50% of their total fatalities coming from NH.

Those 6 states account for over 50% of the nationwide fatalities to COVID.

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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby Rockinghorse » Sat Jul 04, 2020 13:51:50

In the short attention span era, it should be pretty easy to whip up a new Paul Ryan. Moderates and the national media would gobble him up (of course it will be a man). The R party as a whole can breathe a sigh of relief and rally behind his unifying message of tax cuts and business deregulation, and pointing out how Biden's massive spending did not immediately restore the economy.

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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Sat Jul 04, 2020 13:54:33

first, you mean DemocratIC, not 'Democrat'

second, this keeps being said but for most of them it was that nursing homes needed to accept patients that had COVID, not that governors forced covid patients into the nursing homes. for PA, staff got COVID and the nursing homes didn't have any testing or proper precautions for the staff to prevent exposure to the patients. wolf did not 'force' patients from hospitals onto nursing homes; they simply weren't allowed to deny someone due to their medical condition, same as any other condition. there's a huge difference and acting like it's not is just silly.

the major difference is that outbreaks happened here first and we didn't have a lot of stuff we have now.

also, it ain't over. this ain't over.
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby 06hawkalum » Sat Jul 04, 2020 13:57:44

jamiethekiller wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:and pretty much every Republican governor has shit the bed with Covid response.


I'd probably say the otherwise. 5 of 6 states that ordered NH patients who were positive in the hospital back to NH were run by Democrat governor's. Those 6 states all have over 50% of their total fatalities coming from NH.

Those 6 states account for over 50% of the nationwide fatalities to COVID.


I take it you are voting for Trump since you are getting your talking points from OAN.

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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby jamiethekiller » Sat Jul 04, 2020 14:14:50

pacino wrote:first, you mean DemocratIC, not 'Democrat'

second, this keeps being said but for most of them it was that nursing homes needed to accept patients that had COVID, not that governors forced covid patients into the nursing homes. for PA, staff got COVID and the nursing homes didn't have any testing or proper precautions for the staff to prevent exposure to the patients. wolf did not 'force' patients from hospitals onto nursing homes; they simply weren't allowed to deny someone due to their medical condition, same as any other condition. there's a huge difference and acting like it's not is just silly.

the major difference is that outbreaks happened here first and we didn't have a lot of stuff we have now.

also, it ain't over. this ain't over.


Yes, a NH wasn't allowed to deny a covid positive patient per their health board. They had to take them back regardless if the NH was capable of caring for them properly or not.

I don't know what the best policy or solution should have been, but I'd think that the people hired and paid good money to develop plans to prevent this sort of thing from happening would have been able to prevent it. A known pandemic sweeping through the world with no vaccine should set off every alarm possible to protect those most in danger. I don't think 'fog of war' is applicable here.

https://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com ... t-happened

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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Sat Jul 04, 2020 14:21:53

i've seen multiple people point to this very article. i also actually work for the state, am a worker representative for a public sector union that was dealing with the state during this time and also deal with the healthcare union that is in many nursing homes in the state. the issue was nursing homes not giving a shit about workers or patients, not the state requiring that they accept people. again, requiring them to accept patients is incredibly different than forcibly putting patients in nursing homes. i don't know why you don't get that.
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