Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Jul 15, 2020 15:51:47

PSUsarge wrote:
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PSUsarge wrote:Many of his moves have made some level of strategic sense, especially in how he got elected. I just can't figure out how what he's doing about COVID-19 helps him get reelected.


He has spent his entire career, both before and during his Presidency, trying to convince people that the Emperor has clothes by repeating again and again how great whatever it is he's selling, whether it's a building, a condo, his TV show or himself as a candidate. He does so by using his typical superlatives ("beautiful," "huge," "best," etc.) again and again and again until the "customer" (or at least some of them) believes what he's saying.

He's a huckster and, yes, he does believe that pretending that the virus is going away/getting better will actually convince enough voters. That's been his strategy since the infamous "ingesting disinfectant/shining a light inside your body" press conference. Just look at everything he's done since then. It's consistent with the delusional fantasy he's trying to peddle.

For example, look no further than his insistence that schools reopen. He just wants to be able to say that one more important aspect of our lives has returned to normal. He doesn't have to believe it. He doesn't care about the lives which may be lost. He just wants to be able to claim everything is OK so he will be reelected.

If you want to understand his actions just view everything he says and does through the prism of his goal of being reelected (and, more generally, what he perceives to be good for him and him alone). For example, the "lesson" he learned from 2016 (whether accurate or not) is that by appealing to his base he can win. That's why he says things like more whites than blacks are murdered by cops. That statement appeals to his base and he couldn't care less that it offends people who aren't going to vote for him anyway.

IMO what he's missing is that, in addition to his hardcore base, he was elected in 2016 because of a swath of more moderate voters who knew him only by his hype, i.e., successful real estate executive, rich, beholden to no special interests and someone who who shake things up in Washington, which needed shaking up. Unfortunately for him, those voters (who are not blind followers) have now had 3 1/2 years to see what he's really like, how incompetent he is, how much he lies and how devoted to himself and himself alone he is. His core base will not be enough to get him reelected in 2020.

Appreciate the thoughtful reply. Agree with you here, especially this last paragraph, which is what I'm so dumbfounded about.

Trump and his cronies are dumb like foxes - they know damn well what they're doing. You don't accidentally become president. So you'd think they'd HAVE to realize this, but I guess they're just tripling down and hoping for the best - or they DGAF if he gets reelected and are just planning to distract as much as possible from his legal troubles until he has time to GTFO after he cedes power.



I think we're leaving off an important part of this plan. He talks about the silent majority constantly. He plans to use Russian/Chinese help and voter suppression to pull off another win by cheating. Then he would say that he has a mandate and the real america is the america that doesn't answer polls and votes for him behind the curtain. The left would be utterly deflated and he would get to continue destroying our institutions.
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed Jul 15, 2020 15:55:53

I hope that is real

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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Jul 15, 2020 15:57:52

momadance wrote:
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(CNN)Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a key witness in President Donald Trump's impeachment inquiry, is retiring from the US Army after more than 21 years of military service because he determined that his future in the armed forces "will forever be limited" due to political retaliation by the President and his allies, his lawyer told CNN Wednesday.

Vindman has endured a "campaign of bullying, intimidation, and retaliation" spearheaded by the President following his testimony in the impeachment inquiry last year, according to his attorney, Amb. David Pressman.



I imagine a lawsuit will be forthcoming


That's what I said to a coworker.


He's going to win, unless the president being above the law also extends to those who do his bidding.



Staring to leak out now ...

WASHINGTON — The National Security Council sent a list of allegations about Lt. Col. Alex Vindman to the Pentagon after he testified before the House in impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump, according to one person who has seen the document and two others briefed on it.

The Pentagon received the document, which alleged Vindman created a hostile work environment at the NSC, as he was on track to be promoted to colonel. The accusations outlined in it, if substantiated, would have kept him from moving up a rank in the Army, the people familiar with the document said. They said it was not the typical evaluation that military officers serving on the NSC are given when their temporary positions end and they are set to return to the Defense Department, as Vindman was scheduled to do about six months after this document was sent to the Pentagon.

The NSC is housed in the White House and chaired by the president, though it's managed day-to-day by the national security adviser.

The Pentagon conducted a command-level investigation into the allegations, looking for evidence to substantiate the claims about Vindman’s conduct while he was detailed to the NSC, the people familiar with the document said. But ultimately the military could not corroborate any of the accusations, the people familiar with it said. Included in the list was an accusation that Vindman had verbally abused a colleague, a senior administration official said.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/w ... t-n1233613



Of course, it's not about getting Vindman. It's about keeping others from stepping forward. For our democracy's sake, I hope he wins and the message is sent that whistleblowers aren't risking their careers by coming forward, though that cat may already be out of the bag.
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Jul 15, 2020 16:01:20

thephan wrote:Yesterday Trump announced his intent to appoint Sebastian Gorka to the federal government’s national security education program. I missed this, but how can I even be surprised at all that these characters keep returning?

This is a nice summary/take down piece on it: https://boingboing.net/2020/07/14/nazi- ... -back.html



What is a "national security education program?"
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Jul 15, 2020 16:04:03

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06hawkalum wrote:I don't understand how this move is going to suppress data. The states still report the stats independently on a daily basis. Those numbers are available on any number of websites.


If states are told not to give data to anyone but the military, who will collect it for the independent sites? I think his sated plan is to collect the data using people outside the CDC. If they are the ones collecting data from hospitals, then maybe independent no longer get any data


He isn't instructing states to report directly, he is instructing hospitals to report directly. The states are still tabulating daily counts.


How would the states do the counts if national guardsmen are the ones collecting data in the hospitals? My take on reading what was originally said is that they were going to be the sole collectors of the data. Or at least that was their original plan as I understood it.
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby momadance » Wed Jul 15, 2020 16:15:01

RBG released from the hospital.

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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby td11 » Wed Jul 15, 2020 16:20:16

joe table wrote:
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The Dude wrote:And he'll probably be fine and say "See? No biggie"


been waiting for someone to pull this card. has any denier done this yet?


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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby traderdave » Wed Jul 15, 2020 16:56:03

JFLNYC wrote:Trump has virtually no ability to attract using hope and positives.


This is 100% correct. I have seen three different commercials from the Trump campaign over the past several weeks and all of them traffic in fear and innuendo. Never in those ads are we asked to vote for Trump for all that he has done for us and the country; rather not to vote for the other guy. If I see the 911 Police Defunding commercial one more time I think I'm going to lose my mind. I seriously change the channel every time it comes on (and it has been on A TON). I won't be safe in Joe Biden's America? How safe were the 136,000 dead from COVID-19 in Trump's?

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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby momadance » Wed Jul 15, 2020 17:01:08

Chuck Woolery has been kicked off of Twitter.

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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby Bucky » Wed Jul 15, 2020 17:17:39

traderdave wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Trump has virtually no ability to attract using hope and positives.


This is 100% correct. I have seen three different commercials from the Trump campaign over the past several weeks and all of them traffic in fear and innuendo. Never in those ads are we asked to vote for Trump for all that he has done for us and the country; rather not to vote for the other guy. If I see the 911 Police Defunding commercial one more time I think I'm going to lose my mind. I seriously change the channel every time it comes on (and it has been on A TON). I won't be safe in Joe Biden's America? How safe were the 136,000 dead from COVID-19 in Trump's?


saw a good one on this (not sure if it was just a picture or an ad) that said "those scenes they show you to warn you about joe biden's america are actual scenes from donald trump's america"

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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby PSUsarge » Wed Jul 15, 2020 17:29:37

momadance wrote:Chuck Woolery has been kicked off of Twitter.

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*chef's kiss*

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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Wed Jul 15, 2020 18:15:20

Monkeyboy wrote:
thephan wrote:Yesterday Trump announced his intent to appoint Sebastian Gorka to the federal government’s national security education program. I missed this, but how can I even be surprised at all that these characters keep returning?

This is a nice summary/take down piece on it: https://boingboing.net/2020/07/14/nazi- ... -back.html



What is a "national security education program?"


Well like Gorka, his participation and it is a complete fraud. It’s a reward for a job well done out there is a barking dog spreading misinformation for the administration. Let’s face it the man’s degree has a lot of questions, at least the part of the piled higher and deeper, Or in his case his credentials certainly are piled higher and deeper. So the program itself is supposed to create an opportunity for diversity and feed the federal workforce for critical security related jobs. It does this by providing academic partnership with graduate students with an eye of recruiting them into a national program where their work can be further developed and deployed for the national good.


So probably having a xenophobic guy with Nazi tendencies, affiliations, and leanings is not the best candidate to fulfill that mission.

https://www.nsep.gov/content/mission-and-objectives
Daniel Nexon, a scholar at Georgetown University reviewed Gorka’s dissertation and said that “He might as well have mail-ordered his Ph.D.” Nexon ran its text through plagiarism software and found that portions of it were “repurposed.”

“Did you see Gorka?” Trump reportedly said after Gorka took part in figurative fisticuffs on CNN. “So great. I mean, really, truly great!”

Like everybody else in the Donald Trump swamp, Gorka’s wife was given a position at DHS

Form his greatest hits is this:

November 2014: MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD OVERRUNS NATIONAL CATHEDRAL IN DC. - Sebastian Gorka
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Jul 15, 2020 18:17:03

I wonder if people like Chuck would be willing to trade their lives with the people killed by COVID due to Chuck's moronic beliefs.

I don't wish death or pain on anyone, but if people are going to get sick, I surely hope it's these damn fools who take the brunt.
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby Slowhand » Wed Jul 15, 2020 18:28:53

momadance wrote:Chuck Woolery has been kicked off of Twitter.

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Did they actually ban him or did he just deactivate his account a la Curt Schilling (who is back, btw)?
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby The Savior » Wed Jul 15, 2020 19:12:38

LATimes says Trump encouraged and approved the Navarro op-ed lol
On a scale of 1 to Chris Brown, how pissed is he?

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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby 06hawkalum » Wed Jul 15, 2020 19:27:31

Monkeyboy wrote:
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06hawkalum wrote:I don't understand how this move is going to suppress data. The states still report the stats independently on a daily basis. Those numbers are available on any number of websites.


If states are told not to give data to anyone but the military, who will collect it for the independent sites? I think his sated plan is to collect the data using people outside the CDC. If they are the ones collecting data from hospitals, then maybe independent no longer get any data


He isn't instructing states to report directly, he is instructing hospitals to report directly. The states are still tabulating daily counts.


How would the states do the counts if national guardsmen are the ones collecting data in the hospitals? My take on reading what was originally said is that they were going to be the sole collectors of the data. Or at least that was their original plan as I understood it.


I am fairly certain the hospitals are required to report the numbers to the states and will continue to do so.

The CDC =/= state-level health departments. Unless I am mistaken, Trump does not have the authority to keep hospitals from reporting the numbers to state authorities. Otherwse, you would be hearing a huge outcry from Cuomo & Co,
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Re: Statues of Limitations: Politics Thread

Unread postby JFLNYC » Wed Jul 15, 2020 19:30:59

The Savior wrote:LATimes says Trump encouraged and approved the Navarro op-ed lol


Was there any doubt?
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