Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Jun 16, 2020 18:10:25

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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby momadance » Tue Jun 16, 2020 18:12:48

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Houshphandzadeh wrote:what was the vital purpose?


it wasn't hugs and kisses after the civil war. there was occupation and resentment. didn't want to strip the south of all their dignity. you did that, probably fighting a guerrilla style war for the next 25+ years.


The south should be grateful the North was so nice


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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby Bucky » Tue Jun 16, 2020 18:52:41



so the books are allegedly printed and at distribution warehouses now waiting for release day on 6/23

some hero amazon worker should make sure several are liberated to target media members now just in case the lawsuit prevails

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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby Uncle Milty » Tue Jun 16, 2020 19:25:44

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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby threecount » Tue Jun 16, 2020 19:46:05

Plenty of time left but this feels different than 2016...

At this point Trump was up in some polls against Hillary..

Now I see some of these swing states like Michigan and if Biden can just win that and PA or Florida, it's game over...

Story out tonight how even Trump's own campaign internal polls show him way down...

Biden just needs to stay in basement and not screw up the debates...

Just my opinion...

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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby Uncle Milty » Tue Jun 16, 2020 19:56:04

I try to limit my optimism but the polls posted on 538 today offer a lot of hope.
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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby threecount » Tue Jun 16, 2020 20:02:31

Uncle Milty wrote:I try to limit my optimism but the polls posted on 538 today offer a lot of hope.


Senate definitely in play too

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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby stevemc » Tue Jun 16, 2020 20:07:41

threecount wrote:
Biden just needs to stay in basement and not screw up the debates...


I'd suggest not even doing debates

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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby pacino » Tue Jun 16, 2020 20:19:12

I much prefer Trump's open contempt response to McConell's complete BS and lie response to a vote on DC Statehood:

While the bill already has enough Democratic cosponsors to pass the House, it is expected to go nowhere in the Senate, where Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has expressed staunch opposition to D.C. statehood and even compared it to “full bore socialism” in an interview last year.

President Donald Trump has also dismissed the idea, saying Republicans would be “very, very stupid” to grant D.C. statehood because of the District’s overwhelmingly Democratic leanings.

“So we can have two more Democratic — Democrat senators and five more congressmen? No thank you. That’ll never happen,” Trump told the New York Post last month.

The House has considered D.C. statehood before, with a failed floor vote in 1993. Since then, there have been occasional rumblings about making the District the 51st state but no concrete action until Democrats took back the House and held the chamber’s first hearing on the issue in more than 25 years in September.

at least tell me the real reason you oppose it, which Trump did.
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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 20:55:17

threecount wrote:Plenty of time left but this feels different than 2016...

At this point Trump was up in some polls against Hillary..

Now I see some of these swing states like Michigan and if Biden can just win that and PA or Florida, it's game over...

Story out tonight how even Trump's own campaign internal polls show him way down...

Biden just needs to stay in basement and not screw up the debates...

Just my opinion...


I don’t know where people have this idea that Biden has some great position. He MUST sweep WI, PA, MI to win if you change nothing else about 16. Obviously Florida changes the equation but my guess is if anything it has moved toward Trump. A lot of Alabama in Florida.
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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby Uncle Milty » Tue Jun 16, 2020 20:58:27

Wolfgang622 wrote:I don’t know where people have this idea that Biden has some great position. He MUST sweep WI, PA, MI to win if you change nothing else about 16. Obviously Florida changes the equation but my guess is if anything it has moved toward Trump. A lot of Alabama in Florida.


Trump hasn't led a Florida poll since mid-March.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... l/florida/
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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 21:18:07

1 wrote:Serious question: does England have places named after American founding fathers?


I don't know but I can say one of the most hilarious things about the Church of England is that they regard THOMAS MORE as a saint.

The ultimate in wishy-washy. Eddie Izzard was right:

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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby mcare89 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 21:24:47

PSUsarge wrote:Biggest question I'd have around removal of names / monuments is the cost to do so and what else could be accomplished with that money.

I get the whole symbolism thing but if there are actual programs, etc. that could be better funded to help people with that money, it's an easy choice IMO.

Example - per Kenney's admin (I know, I know) the cost for the Rizzo statue removal would have been $100,000 https://whyy.org/articles/timeline-for- ... ack-again/

if there was a statue of Hitler in South Philadelphia right now, I don't think anyone rational would say "well what does it cost to take it down"

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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Jun 16, 2020 21:57:58

Any chance all these confederate statues going down demoralizes Trump's base? I mean, he was supposed to signal the rise of these groups and their heroes are being torn from them. In any case, they are going to be pissed. But how many will blame him or at least see that his actions have helped lead to this?
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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby PSUsarge » Tue Jun 16, 2020 22:01:56

PhillieMooDo wrote:Take it out of the bloated police budgets across the country.

The cost? Dafuq?

You’re answering a different question, which is where the funding comes from.

The question I’m asking is could the funding be used in more directly impactful ways? In the Rizzo statue example, $100k is a year of pay + benefits for, say, an additional social worker.

To be clear, I’m not at all against removal of these statues, etc. Just asking if the focus is on the right thing here.

In Philly this past weekend we had a 200+ gathering grow violent in North Philly, 5 people shot in the span of an hour in SW Philly, a transgender woman found dead in SW Philly a day after a woman is found dead in a suitcase in Kensington, and restaurant employees having explosives thrown at them during an ATM robbery attempt in Germantown.

And yet, the dominant source of outrage, debate, and call for action is over a fucking Columbus statue that nobody knew even existed until the past few days.

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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Jun 16, 2020 22:02:28

Uncle Milty wrote:True.

Guess I should share a link about North Korea blowing up joint liaison office. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53060620



is Kim still supposed to be dead in the north or has he resurfaced?
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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Jun 16, 2020 22:02:33

Monkeyboy wrote:Any chance all these confederate statues going down demoralizes Trump's base? I mean, he was supposed to signal the rise of these groups and their heroes are being torn from them. In any case, they are going to be pissed. But how many will blame him or at least see that his actions have helped lead to this?


Zero.
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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby phatj » Tue Jun 16, 2020 22:02:57

mcare89 wrote:
PSUsarge wrote:Biggest question I'd have around removal of names / monuments is the cost to do so and what else could be accomplished with that money.

I get the whole symbolism thing but if there are actual programs, etc. that could be better funded to help people with that money, it's an easy choice IMO.

Example - per Kenney's admin (I know, I know) the cost for the Rizzo statue removal would have been $100,000 https://whyy.org/articles/timeline-for- ... ack-again/

if there was a statue of Hitler in South Philadelphia right now, I don't think anyone rational would say "well what does it cost to take it down"

I think if the mayors, state legislatures, etc. make it clear that those statues are no longer welcome, the cost of removal would be zero.
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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Jun 16, 2020 22:04:24

06hawkalum wrote:
Uncle Milty wrote:True.

Guess I should share a link about North Korea blowing up joint liaison office. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53060620


I don’t see this provoking a war. Seems more like NK throwing a temper tantrum.



Or to distract its people, who are likely dying of COVID in big numbers.
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Re: Politics Thread: Dad, Pull Over! I have to VP!

Postby PSUsarge » Tue Jun 16, 2020 22:05:33

I did not expect asking “hey could spending money on things more directly impactful to the cause” to be such a spicy take, but here we are.

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