traderdave wrote:I have to admit that I have never watched Monte Python and The Holy Grail (I know, I know) but this has me ready to OnDemand it:

John Cleese has joined in the online pile-on of Fox News, after it unwittingly quoted a line from Monty Python and the Holy Grail in a news report. The unfortunate incident was part of a report from Fox on the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone, or CHAZ, the protest group which is occupying part of Seattle, and is led by hip-hop artist Raz Simone.

Hoping to highlight a fracture in the group, news anchor Martha MacCallum quoted from a Reddit post, which read: “I didn't vote for Raz. I thought we were an autonomous collective. An anarcho-syndicalist commune at the least. We should take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.” However, this was not dissent among the protestor's ranks, but a quote amusingly adapted from the 1975 movie, in which Graham Chapman's King Arthur encounters some local villagers.

You also have Laura Ingraham saying Dr. Fauci is part of the "medical deep state" and encouraging Trump and his minions to ignore anything he has to say. Fox News really has gone completely off the rails.

CFP wrote:Here come the impeachment articles against Wolf

Rep. Daryl Metcalfe (R- Butler) introduced House Resolution 915 on Tuesday, which includes five Articles of Impeachment against the Governor. According to Rep. Metcalfe, there are 24 co-sponsors of the resolution. Back on May 15th, Rep. Metcalfe said he planned to introduce a resolution to impeach Governor Wolf. Tuesday, that resolution was officially introduced. Rep. Metcalfe titled his announcement: "Metcalfe Files Five Articles of Impeachment to Remove Dictator Wolf."

Article One says Governor Wolf’s orders during the COVID-19 pandemic violated 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment rights.

Article Two states that Governor Wolf’s waiver program created through the Department of Labor and Industry was applied “in an arbitrary and capricious manner, leading to inconsistent and unjust results which determined the fate of the livelihoods of many citizens of this Commonwealth.” It goes on to say that Governor Wolf’s mandated business closure order devastated Pennsylvania’s economy, and he should be removed from office.

Article Three accused Governor Wolf of being at fault for not staffing and preparing the Department of Labor and Industry and the Office of Unemployment Compensation to handle the influx of unemployment benefits requests following the non-essential business closure order.

Article Four accuses the Governor of failing to protect residents of long-term care facilities and nursing homes from the COVID-19 virus. The article says even though Governor Wolf had plenty of time to prepare this vulnerable population for the virus, he failed to implement a plan to protect them.

Article Five accuses Governor Wolf of “withholding critical information” about COVID-19 to the public, press, and Legislature. This is in regards to state agencies not responding to Right-to-Know requests during the pandemic.

The language of all five Articles of Impeachment can be found here: http://www.repmetcalfe.com/Display/Site ... 59_001.pdf

slugsrbad wrote:

azrider wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:what was the vital purpose?

it wasn't hugs and kisses after the civil war. there was occupation and resentment. didn't want to strip the south of all their dignity. you did that, probably fighting a guerrilla style war for the next 25+ years.

The Civil War ended 1865. The Reconstruction Era was from 1865 - 1877.

Camp Beauregard - 1917
Fort Benning - 1918
Fort Bragg - 1918
Fort Gordon - 1917
Fort A.P. Hill - 1941
Fort Hood - 1942
Fort Lee - 1917
Fort Pickett - 1942
Fort Polk - 1941
Fort Rucker - 1942

The monuments are too vast to go into detail, but many of them were built after reconstruction ended.

azrider wrote:still a ton of resentment towards the north not only during wwI with bragg being created but even close to 90 years later with many of these others for wwII. shit, there was still a ton of resentment from the south almost 100 years later. my dad was stationed down there in the late 60's, he was treated nicer in germany. it was appeasement at the time to make sure they were on your team. is what it is. times have changed and agree it's time to move on.

Bucky wrote:phatj linked a tweet series on fb last night which was pretty revealing (if true). 44 tweets explaining how the confederacy was actually all about white supremacy and all the monuments and symbolism was to indicate that this was still the attitude of the United States of America.

I'll see if I can find it.

JFLNYC wrote:

lethal wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:We had 2 world wars. Guess it only makes sense to have 2 Korean wars. Wonder which side we'll be on.

Technically, the first one never ended. There was no peace treaty or surrender. The revival might represent a US-China proxy this time. Who knows with this administration though.

Considering there was an armistice in 1918 and the Treaty of Versailles signed in 1919 it’s a bit misleading to say the Great War never “technically” ended. I would argue that it did end “technically” but many of the underlying issues were either not adequately addressed or addressed in such a punitive manner as to insure a Second World War 20 years later.

lethal wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

lethal wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:We had 2 world wars. Guess it only makes sense to have 2 Korean wars. Wonder which side we'll be on.

Technically, the first one never ended. There was no peace treaty or surrender. The revival might represent a US-China proxy this time. Who knows with this administration though.

Considering there was an armistice in 1918 and the Treaty of Versailles signed in 1919 it’s a bit misleading to say the Great War never “technically” ended. I would argue that it did end “technically” but many of the underlying issues were either not adequately addressed or addressed in such a punitive manner as to insure a Second World War 20 years later.

I meant the Korean War

JFLNYC wrote:

lethal wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

lethal wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:We had 2 world wars. Guess it only makes sense to have 2 Korean wars. Wonder which side we'll be on.

Technically, the first one never ended. There was no peace treaty or surrender. The revival might represent a US-China proxy this time. Who knows with this administration though.

Considering there was an armistice in 1918 and the Treaty of Versailles signed in 1919 it’s a bit misleading to say the Great War never “technically” ended. I would argue that it did end “technically” but many of the underlying issues were either not adequately addressed or addressed in such a punitive manner as to insure a Second World War 20 years later.

I meant the Korean War

Apologies. I’m stupid.

Bill McNeal wrote:

CFP wrote:Here come the impeachment articles against Wolf

Article two and maybe 4 have some truth in there I think, 2 more so than 4, but 3 is fucking laughable. Didn’t the republicans in the legislature reduce the funding to the dol?

Bucky wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

lethal wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

lethal wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:We had 2 world wars. Guess it only makes sense to have 2 Korean wars. Wonder which side we'll be on.

Technically, the first one never ended. There was no peace treaty or surrender. The revival might represent a US-China proxy this time. Who knows with this administration though.

Considering there was an armistice in 1918 and the Treaty of Versailles signed in 1919 it’s a bit misleading to say the Great War never “technically” ended. I would argue that it did end “technically” but many of the underlying issues were either not adequately addressed or addressed in such a punitive manner as to insure a Second World War 20 years later.

I meant the Korean War

Apologies. I’m stupid.

just blame it on the dexamethasone!

Werthless wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

azrider wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:what was the vital purpose?

it wasn't hugs and kisses after the civil war. there was occupation and resentment. didn't want to strip the south of all their dignity. you did that, probably fighting a guerrilla style war for the next 25+ years.

The Civil War ended 1865. The Reconstruction Era was from 1865 - 1877.

Camp Beauregard - 1917
Fort Benning - 1918
Fort Bragg - 1918
Fort Gordon - 1917
Fort A.P. Hill - 1941
Fort Hood - 1942
Fort Lee - 1917
Fort Pickett - 1942
Fort Polk - 1941
Fort Rucker - 1942

The monuments are too vast to go into detail, but many of them were built after reconstruction ended.

azrider wrote:still a ton of resentment towards the north not only during wwI with bragg being created but even close to 90 years later with many of these others for wwII. shit, there was still a ton of resentment from the south almost 100 years later. my dad was stationed down there in the late 60's, he was treated nicer in germany. it was appeasement at the time to make sure they were on your team. is what it is. times have changed and agree it's time to move on.

This conversation happens all over the country. Probably with the same level of success. Makes me sad. I hope you know I'm not attacking you, azrider, as your comments are a pretty representation of conversations I've had with family.

"It is what it is"
"Times have changed"
"Don't want to strip the south of their dignity"

Yes, times have changed, and symbols of white supremacy are no longer welcome. This shouldn't be as difficult as it is, since neither you or I are white supremacists. And yet... it's not even close to unanimous. The fact that these confederacy symbols were erected decades afterward should give us pause about what they are actually memorializing.

Bill McNeal wrote:

CFP wrote:Here come the impeachment articles against Wolf

Rep. Daryl Metcalfe (R- Butler) introduced House Resolution 915 on Tuesday, which includes five Articles of Impeachment against the Governor. According to Rep. Metcalfe, there are 24 co-sponsors of the resolution. Back on May 15th, Rep. Metcalfe said he planned to introduce a resolution to impeach Governor Wolf. Tuesday, that resolution was officially introduced. Rep. Metcalfe titled his announcement: "Metcalfe Files Five Articles of Impeachment to Remove Dictator Wolf."

Article One says Governor Wolf’s orders during the COVID-19 pandemic violated 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment rights.

Article Two states that Governor Wolf’s waiver program created through the Department of Labor and Industry was applied “in an arbitrary and capricious manner, leading to inconsistent and unjust results which determined the fate of the livelihoods of many citizens of this Commonwealth.” It goes on to say that Governor Wolf’s mandated business closure order devastated Pennsylvania’s economy, and he should be removed from office.

Article Three accused Governor Wolf of being at fault for not staffing and preparing the Department of Labor and Industry and the Office of Unemployment Compensation to handle the influx of unemployment benefits requests following the non-essential business closure order.

Article Four accuses the Governor of failing to protect residents of long-term care facilities and nursing homes from the COVID-19 virus. The article says even though Governor Wolf had plenty of time to prepare this vulnerable population for the virus, he failed to implement a plan to protect them.

Article Five accuses Governor Wolf of “withholding critical information” about COVID-19 to the public, press, and Legislature. This is in regards to state agencies not responding to Right-to-Know requests during the pandemic.

The language of all five Articles of Impeachment can be found here: http://www.repmetcalfe.com/Display/Site ... 59_001.pdf

Article two and maybe 4 have some truth in there I think, 2 more so than 4, but 3 is #$!&@ laughable. Didn’t the republicans in the legislature reduce the funding to the dol?

Bucky wrote:phatj linked a tweet series on fb last night which was pretty revealing (if true). 44 tweets explaining how the confederacy was actually all about white supremacy and all the monuments and symbolism was to indicate that this was still the attitude of the United States of America.

I'll see if I can find it.

PSUsarge wrote:Biggest question I'd have around removal of names / monuments is the cost to do so and what else could be accomplished with that money.

I get the whole symbolism thing but if there are actual programs, etc. that could be better funded to help people with that money, it's an easy choice IMO.

PSUsarge wrote:Example - per Kenney's admin (I know, I know) the cost for the Rizzo statue removal would have been $100,000 https://whyy.org/articles/timeline-for- ... ack-again/

lethal wrote:

Bucky wrote:phatj linked a tweet series on fb last night which was pretty revealing (if true). 44 tweets explaining how the confederacy was actually all about white supremacy and all the monuments and symbolism was to indicate that this was still the attitude of the United States of America.

I'll see if I can find it.

I grew up in Richmond, home to the infamous Monument Avenue (a beautiful street, by the way, except for those confederate war statues). The lore was that the men who died faced south on their way home. The men who lived faced defiantly north.

I also learned all about the War of Northern Aggression. And that it wasn't about slavery, it was about states' rights. Not mentioned was that the right the states wanted to preserve was slavery.

And best I could tell, my history teachers were politically liberal.

So yeah...

PSUsarge wrote:Biggest question I'd have around removal of names / monuments is the cost to do so and what else could be accomplished with that money.

I get the whole symbolism thing but if there are actual programs, etc. that could be better funded to help people with that money, it's an easy choice IMO.

Example - per Kenney's admin (I know, I know) the cost for the Rizzo statue removal would have been $100,000 https://whyy.org/articles/timeline-for- ... ack-again/

azrider wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:what was the vital purpose?

it wasn't hugs and kisses after the civil war. there was occupation and resentment. didn't want to strip the south of all their dignity. you did that, probably fighting a guerrilla style war for the next 25+ years.