You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

by **MoBettle** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 22:16:56

These are really the worst people that could possibly be running the country right now.

by **Uncle Milty** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 22:29:37

CalvinBall wrote:
Uncle Milty wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Absolving Trump of any of this is empty headed. That's the point.

Even if you were' right (you're not) attacking someone, like Werthless, who's moving towards your views rarely convinces them to move closer.

As for the unemployment that happens no matter who's in charge. Maybe earlier, maybe in greater numbers, but it still happens. There's possibly a discussion available once we know how many layoffs turn out temporary or permanent.

Tbf you're effectively a republican but thanks for the insight.

I have a dream for you cballs. It's that you experience greater growth as a person in your future years than you have in the years I've known you.

by **swishnicholson** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 22:43:48

Bucky wrote:
Stripes wrote:The US has the lowest number of infections PER CAPITA, and the lowest number of deaths PER CAPITA, of industrialized nations. Of course we have more cases, we have more people. Could we have gotten an earlier start on containing this? Yes. But the biggest reason we didn't is because CHINA LIED(and they continue to lie).

But it's Trump's fault

is china not an industrialized nation? Asking for a friend.

or Germany? Canada? Denmark? Sweden, UK? Australia, Greece? South Korea? Russia? Indonesia? Poland, etc? All of those countries have lower infection rates or death rates or both. I have no idea what you're talking about.

by **CalvinBall** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 22:44:20

Trump fired the IG of the Intelligence Community

by **Stripes** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 23:19:50

Bucky wrote:
Stripes wrote:The US has the lowest number of infections PER CAPITA, and the lowest number of deaths PER CAPITA, of industrialized nations. Of course we have more cases, we have more people. Could we have gotten an earlier start on containing this? Yes. But the biggest reason we didn't is because CHINA LIED(and they continue to lie).

But it's Trump's fault

is china not an industrialized nation? Asking for a friend.

Nobody believes anything coming out of China

by **Stripes** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 23:20:40

swishnicholson wrote:
Bucky wrote:
Stripes wrote:The US has the lowest number of infections PER CAPITA, and the lowest number of deaths PER CAPITA, of industrialized nations. Of course we have more cases, we have more people. Could we have gotten an earlier start on containing this? Yes. But the biggest reason we didn't is because CHINA LIED(and they continue to lie).

But it's Trump's fault

is china not an industrialized nation? Asking for a friend.

or Germany? Canada? Denmark? Sweden, UK? Australia, Greece? South Korea? Russia? Indonesia? Poland, etc? All of those countries have lower infection rates or death rates or both. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Total raw numbers? Yes. Per capita? No

by **Slowhand** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 23:22:17

CalvinBall wrote:
Uncle Milty wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Absolving Trump of any of this is empty headed. That's the point.

Even if you were' right (you're not) attacking someone, like Werthless, who's moving towards your views rarely convinces them to move closer.

As for the unemployment that happens no matter who's in charge. Maybe earlier, maybe in greater numbers, but it still happens. There's possibly a discussion available once we know how many layoffs turn out temporary or permanent.

Tbf you're effectively a republican but thanks for the insight.

Even if this is correct (and I don’t think that it is) does this mean you should simply dismiss his opinion out of hand? Doesn’t seem very open minded.

by **The B1G Piece** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 23:29:50

Gimpy wrote:
Stripes wrote:The US has the lowest number of infections PER CAPITA, and the lowest number of deaths PER CAPITA, of industrialized nations. Of course we have more cases, we have more people. Could we have gotten an earlier start on containing this? Yes. But the biggest reason we didn't is because CHINA LIED(and they continue to lie).

But it's Trump's fault

How are we doing on testing PER CAPITA?

Not great!

Also, Trump lied early in March that anyone who wants a test can get one.

by **The Dude** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 23:30:55

I can and can't believe this is being politicized. what bizarre times

by **MoBettle** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 23:35:38

Stripes wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
Bucky wrote:
Stripes wrote:The US has the lowest number of infections PER CAPITA, and the lowest number of deaths PER CAPITA, of industrialized nations. Of course we have more cases, we have more people. Could we have gotten an earlier start on containing this? Yes. But the biggest reason we didn't is because CHINA LIED(and they continue to lie).

But it's Trump's fault

is china not an industrialized nation? Asking for a friend.

or Germany? Canada? Denmark? Sweden, UK? Australia, Greece? South Korea? Russia? Indonesia? Poland, etc? All of those countries have lower infection rates or death rates or both. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Total raw numbers? Yes. Per capita? No

0.0015% of Germans have died versus 0.0021% of Americans. I'm sure it's the case with some of these others too.

by **Bucky** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 23:39:55

Stripes wrote:The US has the lowest number of infections PER CAPITA, and the lowest number of deaths PER CAPITA, of industrialized nations. Of course we have more cases, we have more people. Could we have gotten an earlier start on containing this? Yes. But the biggest reason we didn't is because CHINA LIED(and they continue to lie).

But it's Trump's fault

by **swishnicholson** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 23:44:14

Stripes wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
Bucky wrote:
Stripes wrote:The US has the lowest number of infections PER CAPITA, and the lowest number of deaths PER CAPITA, of industrialized nations. Of course we have more cases, we have more people. Could we have gotten an earlier start on containing this? Yes. But the biggest reason we didn't is because CHINA LIED(and they continue to lie).

But it's Trump's fault

is china not an industrialized nation? Asking for a friend.

or Germany? Canada? Denmark? Sweden, UK? Australia, Greece? South Korea? Russia? Indonesia? Poland, etc? All of those countries have lower infection rates or death rates or both. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Total raw numbers? Yes. Per capita? No

Yes. Where on earth are you looking? There are plenty of conditions with all the numbers, including our own, and it's silly to draw uninformed conclusions from any of them. But there are plenty of industrialized countries with lower confirmed infection rates per capita, and also plenty of industrialized countries with lower death rates than our own. Again, not trying to draw any kind of subjective conclusion-just saying that to state that our per capita numbers are lower than anyone is just wacky.

Edit: on the weird chance you're just flying blind here, here's a chart of covid-19's effects throughout world. Just click on the top to sort it by cases or deaths per 1 million people. I think even you can see, there's lots of nations above the USA, lots below. I'll let you sort out the "industrialized" tag but I'm just stunned that it's not clear as day how wrong you are.

by **swishnicholson** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 00:32:59

The level of pettiness justboggles the mind.

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After Jared Kushner’s comment about how the Strategic National Stockpile is not supposed to be for states, lots of people pointed to the fact that its own website says it is.

The language on the website has now been changed.

My screenshot from last night vs. one from today:

by **Monkeyboy** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 03:25:29

Luzinski's Gut wrote:My take on the USS TR Captain being relieved:

Having been a commander before, I understand the stresses this guy was under.

That being said:
1. Should never had made a port call in Vietnam in early March unless it was for something essential. Bad call.
2. The Strike Group Commander is on the carrier, he lives right down the hallway and the aircraft carrier commander always has access to him. Always keep your boss informed about what you are doing...he didn't
3. Whoever leaked his letter -and it might have been him since in ended up in his hometown paper - bad juju. Especially with the Navy. Navy senior leadership are some of the most humorless people on the planet. Ultra concerned about their image.
4. The Navy leadership shouldn't have relieved him so quickly. Bad form. Do a quiet investigation, let the facts fall where they may.
5. The military uses something called FFIR - Friendly Forces Information Requirements. If 100-200 of his crew was ill, he absolutely did the wrong thing by letting that out into the open. that's critical readiness data that could be exploited by an adversary, and especially with one of the crown jewels of the Navy...poor judgement.

All in all, bad decisions throughout the chain of command. Bad press for the Navy and they brought it on themselves.

There are some details there I didn't know about, but this is pretty much my take. He can't let it out that his vessel was under duress. I get why they cheered for him and I would have too (from 6 foot distance), but what will make the enlisted men happy is not always what will make the leadership happy.

I guarantee there are other ships and bases that are having similar trouble. We're just not hearing about it and we shouldn't. Don't put it past the country where I work to start taking advantage of the chaos and making moves in the south china sea, if they haven't already.

by **Monkeyboy** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 03:27:45

Uncle Milty wrote:I think some of you are applying civilian standards to the military world and it just doesn't translate.

by **Monkeyboy** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 03:31:31

Bucky wrote:

There it is. Now you hear it, too, don't you?

by **Monkeyboy** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 03:37:42

swishnicholson wrote:
Stripes wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
Bucky wrote:
Stripes wrote:The US has the lowest number of infections PER CAPITA, and the lowest number of deaths PER CAPITA, of industrialized nations. Of course we have more cases, we have more people. Could we have gotten an earlier start on containing this? Yes. But the biggest reason we didn't is because CHINA LIED(and they continue to lie).

But it's Trump's fault

is china not an industrialized nation? Asking for a friend.

or Germany? Canada? Denmark? Sweden, UK? Australia, Greece? South Korea? Russia? Indonesia? Poland, etc? All of those countries have lower infection rates or death rates or both. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Total raw numbers? Yes. Per capita? No

Yes. Where on earth are you looking? There are plenty of conditions with all the numbers, including our own, and it's silly to draw uninformed conclusions from any of them. But there are plenty of industrialized countries with lower confirmed infection rates per capita, and also plenty of industrialized countries with lower death rates than our own. Again, not trying to draw any kind of subjective conclusion-just saying that to state that our per capita numbers are lower than anyone is just wacky.

Edit: on the weird chance you're just flying blind here, here's a chart of covid-19's effects throughout world. Just click on the top to sort it by cases or deaths per 1 million people. I think even you can see, there's lots of nations above the USA, lots below. I'll let you sort out the "industrialized" tag but I'm just stunned that it's not clear as day how wrong you are.

We are also earlier in the curve than many of these other places. Our number of deaths per capita will rise. And if they ever start testing people, that will rise as well.

by **The Savior** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 06:35:56

CalvinBall wrote:Trump fired the IG of the Intelligence Community

Quoting this so it doesn’t get too lost in the corruption

by **thephan** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 07:03:20

The US president chose a Friday night, with America consumed by the coronavirus pandemic, to tell the House of Representatives and Senate intelligence committees of his decision to dismiss Michael Atkinson.

In a letter, Trump claimed it was “vital” that he had confidence in the appointees serving as inspectors general, and “that is no longer the case with regard to this inspector general”.

Confidence as in total and unquestioning loyalty to the cause, where is the cause is Donald J Trump?

Atkinson, a 15 year veteran of the justice department, promised, at his Senate confirmation hearing, whistleblower protections that “validates moral courage without compromising national security and without retaliation”.

To bad his amoral former boss has no such disposition.

by **The Savior** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 07:28:16

40% of trump voters now think he has mishandled this pandemic. 17% flip in 1 week.

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