TenuredVulture wrote:But if the failure has (at least in part) political causes then doesn't it make sense? That is, you've got a political party that has failed repeatedly to deal with successive crises. Though 9/11 is debatable, the fiascoes in Iraq and Afghanistan, Katrina, and the 2008 mortgage crisis were all made worse by Republican incompetence (and a failure of the media to hold them accountable). It's happening again now. And while Trump is spectacularly ill-equipped to deal with all this, there are deeper roots in a party that has long abandoned the idea of competency as a relevant criteria for government. I think there's a connection between the incompetence and ideology of the Republican party--the party is guided by a an ideology that is simply a failure.

JFLNYC wrote:Let’s not paint this with too broad a brush. I live on the Gulf coast of Florida, (Naples, to be exact) which has the 6th largest per capita income in the country, 2nd highest proportion of millionaires and offers excellent healthcare. Actually things are many magnitudes worse in the east coast of Florida than here on the Gulf.

thephan wrote:Saw some of the church goers... They are nuts. Ohio gets a lot of thing right, but blows it with exemptions

The Savior wrote:Look, I compare some of this to 9/11 where the story is “well we tried to tell people” but “our agencies weren’t coordinated enough.” Too many chefs cooking different menus.

This feels like that to be honest. I get it’s different as the “terrorist” this time is an authoritarian government with all the reason to lie (and the ability to make that lie appear very real).

But if we all knew then how did it become so fucked up? If anything, it’s a testament to how useless our bureaucracy is - where the F is congress? Our military?

It’s a failure of many not one despite how badly the one has done throughout.

The true story is coming. But I’m frustrated.

TenuredVulture wrote:But if the failure has (at least in part) political causes then doesn't it make sense? That is, you've got a political party that has failed repeatedly to deal with successive crises. Though 9/11 is debatable, the fiascoes in Iraq and Afghanistan, Katrina, and the 2008 mortgage crisis were all made worse by Republican incompetence (and a failure of the media to hold them accountable). It's happening again now. And while Trump is spectacularly ill-equipped to deal with all this, there are deeper roots in a party that has long abandoned the idea of competency as a relevant criteria for government. I think there's a connection between the incompetence and ideology of the Republican party--the party is guided by a an ideology that is simply a failure.

Monkeyboy wrote:

The Savior wrote:Look, I compare some of this to 9/11 where the story is “well we tried to tell people” but “our agencies weren’t coordinated enough.” Too many chefs cooking different menus.

This feels like that to be honest. I get it’s different as the “terrorist” this time is an authoritarian government with all the reason to lie (and the ability to make that lie appear very real).

But if we all knew then how did it become so fucked up? If anything, it’s a testament to how useless our bureaucracy is - where the F is congress? Our military?

It’s a failure of many not one despite how badly the one has done throughout.

The true story is coming. But I’m frustrated.

Um, no. The GOP has been slowly dismantling government for decades and then Trump went and literally took away our intel and ability to respond to pandemic threats. That's not a testament to bureaucracy, it's a testament to the incompetence of one man. It's not Congress' job to execute the things it gives money for. You can't dismantle government and then say it's because of bureaucracy. I mean, you can, but it makes you a fucking liar (not you, but whoever would dismantle and then blame the system).

JFLNYC wrote:They’re protected:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/04/04/ohio-church-service-covid-19-pandemic-tuchman-pkg-ac360-vpx.cnn

The co-founder of a huge private equity firm sent an email this week to Jared Kushner and other Trump administration policymakers seeking to relax rules on coronavirus relief money in a way that would benefit the company, according to sources familiar with the matter.

Warszawa wrote:Biden this morning said we are going to need 2 more atom packages like the one that just passed. At what point is a load of bread going to cost $20?