thephan wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:Tammy Duckworth

Love her but think I need her exactly where she is.

I'm just looking for alternates since the both the obvious choices burned bridges a little bit.

Uncle Milty wrote:

thephan wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:Tammy Duckworth

Love her but think I need her exactly where she is.

I'm just looking for alternates since the both the obvious choices burned bridges a little bit.

Klobuchar?

I feel you @milty, she is just a force to be reckoned with in the Senate. Powerful, self assurance, effective and unflappable. She’s one of the most admirable senators serving. The country could use a dozen more just like her.

MFP wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:Biden committed to a female VP. hmm

Stacey Abrams would make a whole lot of sense as his running mate.

It would not make a lot of sense for the oldest person ever nominated for president to choose a VP nominee with the weakest resume of anyone in the post War era.

The Savior wrote:

MFP wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:Biden committed to a female VP. hmm

Stacey Abrams would make a whole lot of sense as his running mate.

It’s her or Kamala

Very likely. I could be wrong, but it feels like one of the benefits of choosing Abrams is that doing so could maybe help to bring at least some of the progressive contingent that's had Biden at arm's length into the fold.

So, it's...

Warren
Abrams
Klobuchar (sp?)
Harris

I don't think Biden needs much help with blacks, so maybe he doesn't do anything to get Trump's base in a tizzy. If he already has the black vote, why take the chance of increasing turnout for Trump? That leaves Warren and Klobuchar. I think he needs more help with progressives and Warren knows the issues better than anyone. Maybe she's the pick?

Sanders did much better than Biden with latinos. Any chance he picks a latino female? I don't really know if any that would meet the other criteria.

jerseyhoya wrote:

MFP wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:Biden committed to a female VP. hmm

Stacey Abrams would make a whole lot of sense as his running mate.

It would not make a lot of sense for the oldest person ever nominated for president to choose a VP nominee with the weakest resume of anyone in the post War era.

"Less qualified than Sarah Palin... and that's saying something!"

She may not have much experience, but what she's done has been pretty impressive. She seems like a great community organizer and communicator. Sounds like someone else who used to be prez.

it'll be hillary

td11 wrote:i guess in summary, for a long time now, the conservative movement in america and abroad has been about the dismantling of the state apparatus (other than police/prisons and military)

You have made an accurate description of one highly influential (and well-financed) wing of the GOP. It's too broad a brush to call that the "conservative movement" any more than it is to label the "progressive movement" as represented exclusively by Bernie and the Bros.

I concede, principled conservatives are in short supply.

Even a lot of ardent Trump supporters are more about racism and xenophobia than about surrendering their government benefits. "Give us ours, stop giving to the brown people."

TomatoPie wrote:

td11 wrote:i guess in summary, for a long time now, the conservative movement in america and abroad has been about the dismantling of the state apparatus (other than police/prisons and military)

You have made an accurate description of one highly influential (and well-financed) wing of the GOP. It's too broad a brush to call that the "conservative movement"

Be that as it may, it's been a steady descent

Bucky wrote:it'll be hillary

A friend of mine is convinced that Biden is experiencing dementia and his condition will deteriorate to the point between now and the convention where they install Hillary as the nominee.

As to reality, I would love to see a Biden/Klobuchar ticket but fear that maybe it is too white. I think Duckworth would be an awesome choice and would look forward to watching her tear Mike Pence apart in the VP debate.

When a reporter in the Capitol asked Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma, 85, what precautions he was taking to protect himself from the disease known as Covid-19, he said none — and extended his arm with confidence: “Wanna shake hands?” https://t.co/JOrdZ5n7p8

Just stunningly irresponsible

Grotewold wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:

td11 wrote:i guess in summary, for a long time now, the conservative movement in america and abroad has been about the dismantling of the state apparatus (other than police/prisons and military)

You have made an accurate description of one highly influential (and well-financed) wing of the GOP. It's too broad a brush to call that the "conservative movement"

Be that as it may, it's been a steady descent

You may be right - or it may be more simply that the core of the power wing of the GOP has been steadily exposed.

I think Bush Sr was a good man who made compromises to the political realities of his party.

Bush Jr was a decent guy in over his head who let Cheney etc drive us towards the "last huzzah for white men" era.

I cringe when people compare Bush - never hateful, racist, or ungenerous - with Trump, but he left the door open for the vermin who propped Trump up.

There's a place for principled, moral conservatism, but I can't see its influence being substantial again in my lifetime.

td11 wrote:When a reporter in the Capitol asked Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma, 85, what precautions he was taking to protect himself from the disease known as Covid-19, he said none — and extended his arm with confidence: “Wanna shake hands?” https://t.co/JOrdZ5n7p8

Just stunningly irresponsible

governor of Oklahoma went out to eat with his family at some crowded BBQ.

it seems like the one responsible Republican politicians left are the governors in Maryland, Ohio and Massachusetts and Ted Cruz since he himself was affected.

TomatoPie wrote:There's a place for principled, moral conservatism, but I can't see its influence being substantial again in my lifetime.

And I have never seen impactful signs of it in mine

pacino wrote:

td11 wrote:When a reporter in the Capitol asked Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma, 85, what precautions he was taking to protect himself from the disease known as Covid-19, he said none — and extended his arm with confidence: “Wanna shake hands?” https://t.co/JOrdZ5n7p8

Just stunningly irresponsible

governor of Oklahoma went out to eat with his family at some crowded BBQ.

All this adds up to first Oklahoma becoming the epicenter, then later both cheap land and abundant business opportunities available in Oklahoma.

pacino wrote:

td11 wrote:When a reporter in the Capitol asked Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma, 85, what precautions he was taking to protect himself from the disease known as Covid-19, he said none — and extended his arm with confidence: “Wanna shake hands?” https://t.co/JOrdZ5n7p8

Just stunningly irresponsible

governor of Oklahoma went out to eat with his family at some crowded BBQ.

it seems like the one responsible Republican politicians left are the governors in Maryland, Ohio and Massachusetts and Ted Cruz since he himself was affected.

Asa Hutchinson has done ok--we seem ahead of other states, many with more serious outbreaks than here. I do think he was slow to cancel the high school basketball tournaments, but he did close the schools this weekend. On the downside, I don't know if he closed the casinos yet.

We are way, way behind on testing, and the state is putting up numbers of negative tests by county. I'm not sure how much of that is the governor's fault.

There's a glitch in his vocabulary code.

@marcorubio
Please stop spreading stupid rumors about marshall law.

COMPLETELY FALSE

We will continue to see closings & restrictions on hours of non-essential businesses in certain cities & states. But that is NOT marshall law.

Last night was the first debate I've watched. Joe Biden sounds very dumb, like he's writing a paper for class and is using double spacing and extraneous words to reach the page/word count. Bernie is the man, but way too upfront and that puts off/scares most people sleepwalking through life. Also, fuck the government and coronavirus. That is all.