Politics: Y'all ready for this?

by **TomatoPie** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 16:36:15

@BillKristol

If Biden can bring Amy and Pete together tonight, he can bring the country together in November.

by **TomatoPie** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 16:37:23

I don't get the Pete hate.

Seemed like a smart and sincere and articulate guy. He'd be my top choice if I thought he was electable in the general.

by **slugsrbad** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 16:43:34

Judging a President on whether or not he’s amazing at rallies and speeches when we have President Trump... Biden does not sound great at times, but I honestly cannot wait to get back to the days when our President isn’t pontificating 24/7.

by **TomatoPie** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 16:44:29

4 years of Joe followed by 8 years of Kamala, I'm in

by **Werthless** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 16:45:48

TomatoPie wrote:I don't get the Pete hate.

Seemed like a smart and sincere and articulate guy. He'd be my top choice if I thought he was electable in the general.

I think he is extremely inauthentic. Made in a lab of surveys and focus groups. And I am predisposed to like him, to want him to win, based on his background.

by **JUburton** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 16:50:25

CalvinBall wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Biden had one good day and now everyone is bowing down to him. Very odd. I do not think he can win a general. He was not raising money and has no message. Get excited.

Of course he can win the general

I mean he can, but he is not strong. The establishment on either side doesn't have the best track record in these kind of things.

additional evidence--

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/12 ... 2221120513

the free free free thing is some editorial bullshit. and who cares if he makes speaking gaffes? and i wonder how much of them derive from trying to avoid a stutter.

and i dont even like biden!

by **jamiethekiller** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 16:54:59

TomatoPie wrote:4 years of Joe followed by 8 years of Kamala, I'm in

Kamala sucks. a cops friend shouldn't be in charge of the country.

by **thephan** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 17:04:47

Augustus wrote:We have to accept that many aspects of our fabulous lifestyles are built upon exploiting labor, degrading the earth, and discriminating against people different than us.

Take it to the Minor League thread

by **Werthless** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 17:14:12

JUburton wrote:the free free free thing is some editorial bullshit. and who cares if he makes speaking gaffes? and i wonder how much of them derive from trying to avoid a stutter.

and i dont even like biden!

Well, from 2016, we already know that nothing actually matters. But if he's saying stupid stuff in a debate against Trump, that would not be good. I think he's likely to do so, and Trump will unironically seize on it as him being past his prime and unfit for office.

That is the problem when all of the candidates for office are 75+. It's a sensitive issue, an uncomfortable issue, but something that could potentially effect voters' willingness to back a candidate. Sanders and Warren have not had similar stumbles, as far as I am aware.

Edit: I'm not talking about saying Senate instead of President. I'm talking about answers to debate questions that make no sense, sentences that trail off into nothing, and transitions that occur randomly. It may be part of the reason that his support among young people is less than his support among the elderly.

by **jamiethekiller** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 17:28:44

AH YOU KNOW THAT THING

by **JUburton** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 17:32:23

Debate concerns are one thing. Random youtube/twitter clips are another.

He's been fine enough in the latest debates that if he does that in the general he'll look like a goddamn genius against Trump.

by **Bucky** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 17:40:32

jamiethekiller wrote: a cops friend shouldn't be in charge of the country.

by **Bucky** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 17:47:50

Werthless wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:I don't get the Pete hate.

Seemed like a smart and sincere and articulate guy. He'd be my top choice if I thought he was electable in the general.

I think he is extremely inauthentic. Made in a lab of surveys and focus groups. And I am predisposed to like him, to want him to win, based on his background.

the limp bizkit of politicians?

by **Monkeyboy** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 17:50:02

Gimpy wrote:If Biden is the nominee, I can’t wait for the inevitable “you think Trump is corrupt? What about Biden’s son getting money from Ukraine? They all do it” I’m going to hear from my older relatives for the next year/four years (depending on who wins).

Right, they all have weaknesses the GOP will try to attack.

I'm still hoping for Warren, but I think any non-Sanders candidacy might be a problem when it comes to turnout. I think the VP choice should be Harris or Abrams. Warren for Head of Health and Human Services.

by **Bucky** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 17:53:49

i didn't realize liz was 70

by **heyeaglefn** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 17:56:51

Bucky wrote:i didn't realize liz was 70

It really is crazy, if you think about the people you know that are 70+ and to think of them making high level decisions that impact the world just seems crazy. Trump will be 74 this year, Warren 71, Bernie 79, Biden 78, Bloomberg 78

Bernie/Biden/Bloomberg will be 80+ in the next 2 years.

They obviously are highly functioning for their age group but it is just odd to me to think someone my grand parents age could be running the country for 4+ years.

by **Brantt** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 18:05:18

heyeaglefn wrote:
Bucky wrote:i didn't realize liz was 70

It really is crazy, if you think about the people you know that are 70+ and to think of them making high level decisions that impact the world just seems crazy. Trump will be 74 this year, Warren 71, Bernie 79, Biden 78, Bloomberg 78

Bernie/Biden/Bloomberg will be 80+ in the next 2 years.

They obviously are highly functioning for their age group but it is just odd to me to think someone my grand parents age could be running the country for 4+ years.

I'm not sure Biden is highly functioning. As I've stated on here before, as someone who has followed his career closely, there's no doubt in my mind he had a medical issue in the last 2 years. It's not a matter of just losing his fastball either.

by **Bucky** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 18:23:31

Grotewold wrote:
Bucky wrote:
Augustus wrote:We have to accept that many aspects of our fabulous lifestyles are built upon exploiting labor, degrading the earth, and discriminating against people different than us. Many of us still live, or expect to live, in this hazy fever dream of post-WWII prosperity that was always built on a faulty foundation. Some people never had access to it, and our political system has worked very adroitly to keep them silenced and marginalized. Others had it, lost it, or fear losing it, and still expect it, and they’ve largely turned to the grievance based Trump faux-populism. Others are still enjoying it and haven’t woken up from the “dream,” and if you’re wringing your hands over having to pay a fair wage or over poor people having access to quality health care, you’re part of this group.

I mean nothing personal by this. Late capitalism is a hell of a drug.

:slowhandclappingguy:

+1

what's the character limit for sig files

by **Trent Steele** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 18:33:50

CalvinBall wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Biden had one good day and now everyone is bowing down to him. Very odd. I do not think he can win a general. He was not raising money and has no message. Get excited.

Of course he can win the general

I mean he can, but he is not strong. The establishment on either side doesn't have the best track record in these kind of things.

He’s not perfect by any means, but there is literally zero evidence that Bernie drives any meaningful additional turnout. He has not done that in 4 primaries so far and there is no reason to think he would do it in the 6 states that matter. That’s fools gold man. The base that beats Trump is not young progressives, it’s African Americans and suburban women

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 18:36:58

Bucky wrote:
Augustus wrote:We have to accept that many aspects of our fabulous lifestyles are built upon exploiting labor, degrading the earth, and discriminating against people different than us. Many of us still live, or expect to live, in this hazy fever dream of post-WWII prosperity that was always built on a faulty foundation. Some people never had access to it, and our political system has worked very adroitly to keep them silenced and marginalized. Others had it, lost it, or fear losing it, and still expect it, and they’ve largely turned to the grievance based Trump faux-populism. Others are still enjoying it and haven’t woken up from the “dream,” and if you’re wringing your hands over having to pay a fair wage or over poor people having access to quality health care, you’re part of this group.

I mean nothing personal by this. Late capitalism is a hell of a drug.

:slowhandclappingguy:

Truer words were never spoken. When I teach Ursula LeGuin’s stark short story “The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas,” I always make sure that students see that this is what that story is all about - and it is so effective because it personalizes the whole thing.

Also, Augustus, may I borrow this?

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