Donny J and the Giant ImPeach: politics

by **JFLNYC** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 15:25:35

Well that settles that.

Watch for the new info coming out about fresh attempts at the cover up.

by **momadance** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 15:40:16

by **thephan** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 17:17:11

Mike's going to take a powder before he fails to comply. Executive privilege, classification, and article two authority.

by **thephan** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 18:00:04

Joni Ernst did a lot of talking when she was confronted by a voter, but I can’t exactly say she was convincing especially in that she did not answer the question.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/464 ... tected?amp

by **momadance** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 18:15:23

Energy Secretary Rick Perry is expected to announce his resignation from the administration by the end of November, according to three people familiar with his plans.

Perry, who had been Texas' longest-serving governor before joining President Donald Trump's Cabinet in 2017, has largely avoided the controversies that felled others in the administration. But his travels to Ukraine lately have embroiled him in the impeachment inquiry engulfing Trump and his inner circle, even though two of the people called the scandal unrelated to Perry's departure, which they said he has been planning for several months.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/0 ... ign-000189

by **thephan** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 18:42:20

Since Pompeo and State seem dick deep in Ukraine he might be looking at impeachment as well. Pompeo is a mercenary with survival instincts, so he just might try to be the good guy and push Don and friends in front of the train.

You have to imagine if he's looking at an array a bad options at the moment, and trying to figure out which path does not land came in a fiery pit. Whatever happens, his political prospects are going to take a beating out of this.

He's a very swampy creature.

by **JFLNYC** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 19:38:46

Agreed. Not saying he will, but he’s the most likely to try to save himself and flip.

by **phatj** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 19:56:49

momadance wrote:@MittRomney
When the only American citizen President Trump singles out for China’s investigation is his political opponent in the midst of the Democratic nomination process, it strains credulity to suggest that it is anything other than politically motivated.

@MittRomney
By all appearances, the President’s brazen and unprecedented appeal to China and to Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden is wrong and appalling.

Absent any political motivation, when would it be appropriate for the POTUS to request a foreign government to investigate any individual US citizen? I'm tempted to say "never" but admittedly am not an expert in such things.

by **thephan** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 20:45:52

Terrorism. All of its trappings. Money laundering, arms trade, actions against citizens, etc.

by **Bucky** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 20:50:57

tom clancy bows in admiration

by **The Sarge** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 20:57:46

phatj wrote:
momadance wrote:@MittRomney
When the only American citizen President Trump singles out for China’s investigation is his political opponent in the midst of the Democratic nomination process, it strains credulity to suggest that it is anything other than politically motivated.

@MittRomney
By all appearances, the President’s brazen and unprecedented appeal to China and to Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden is wrong and appalling.

Absent any political motivation, when would it be appropriate for the POTUS to request a foreign government to investigate any individual US citizen? I'm tempted to say "never" but admittedly am not an expert in such things.

I don't think anyone would complain if a foreign government investigated John Walker Lindh.

by **JFLNYC** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 21:05:22

Second whistleblower complaint from someone with more direct knowledge of Ukraine situation may be forthcoming.

by **phatj** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 21:42:31

The Sarge wrote:
phatj wrote:
momadance wrote:@MittRomney
When the only American citizen President Trump singles out for China’s investigation is his political opponent in the midst of the Democratic nomination process, it strains credulity to suggest that it is anything other than politically motivated.

@MittRomney
By all appearances, the President’s brazen and unprecedented appeal to China and to Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden is wrong and appalling.

Absent any political motivation, when would it be appropriate for the POTUS to request a foreign government to investigate any individual US citizen? I'm tempted to say "never" but admittedly am not an expert in such things.

I don't think anyone would complain if a foreign government investigated John Walker Lindh.

Not my point.

by **swishnicholson** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 22:05:43

phatj wrote:
The Sarge wrote:
phatj wrote:
momadance wrote:@MittRomney
When the only American citizen President Trump singles out for China’s investigation is his political opponent in the midst of the Democratic nomination process, it strains credulity to suggest that it is anything other than politically motivated.

@MittRomney
By all appearances, the President’s brazen and unprecedented appeal to China and to Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden is wrong and appalling.

Absent any political motivation, when would it be appropriate for the POTUS to request a foreign government to investigate any individual US citizen? I'm tempted to say "never" but admittedly am not an expert in such things.

I don't think anyone would complain if a foreign government investigated John Walker Lindh.

Not my point.

I'm probably missing the point too, then. If a foreign government could supply information about a criminal who actually was causing harm to American citizens, I would think it would be appropriate for an American President to request assistance. I mean not shouting it out in the middle of a field like our current Boob in Chief, but going through normal channels of course.

by **Uncle Milty** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 22:13:06

I'm hearing you phattie.

by **CalvinBall** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 22:22:58

JFLNYC wrote:Second whistleblower complaint from someone with more direct knowledge of Ukraine situation may be forthcoming.

Sometimes I wonder where the times gets this stuff

by **JFLNYC** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 22:27:43

I’m sure the President is personally involved in matters of corruption in many countries where the Bidens didn’t do business and involving many US citizens not named Biden (or Clinton). Didn’t he lead the way in forcing investigations about the money Manafort made in the Ukraine, that Flynn made in Russia, that Giuliani is making all over the world, the trademarks Ivanka received from China once Trump took office? How about the money his place in Scotland is getting from those military layovers or the business Trump DC is getting from foreign officials? He’s been fighting hard to root out corruption in all those areas, right? Right?

by **JFLNYC** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 22:37:48

CalvinBall wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Second whistleblower complaint from someone with more direct knowledge of Ukraine situation may be forthcoming.

Sometimes I wonder where the times gets this stuff

Washington is a small town where reputations and careers are made and lost by having the right contacts, including contacts in the media who can help you get a story out. You have to take care of and cultivate those relationships by feeding your media contacts so they will be there to help you when you need it.

In this case, once again, Trump is being hoisted on his own petard. By accusing those who may have spoken with the first whistleblower of being “almost” spies and maybe guilty of treason and by making them potentially victims of his incitements to violence, he’s all but pushing them into the arms of the IG to protect their own careers and maybe their physical safety. If the alternative is eventually being outed and being left to your own devices, wouldn’t you be seeking whistleblower protections now?

by **phatj** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 23:07:30

swishnicholson wrote:
phatj wrote:
The Sarge wrote:
phatj wrote:
momadance wrote:@MittRomney
When the only American citizen President Trump singles out for China’s investigation is his political opponent in the midst of the Democratic nomination process, it strains credulity to suggest that it is anything other than politically motivated.

@MittRomney
By all appearances, the President’s brazen and unprecedented appeal to China and to Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden is wrong and appalling.

Absent any political motivation, when would it be appropriate for the POTUS to request a foreign government to investigate any individual US citizen? I'm tempted to say "never" but admittedly am not an expert in such things.

I don't think anyone would complain if a foreign government investigated John Walker Lindh.

Not my point.

I'm probably missing the point too, then. If a foreign government could supply information about a criminal who actually was causing harm to American citizens, I would think it would be appropriate for an American President to request assistance. I mean not shouting it out in the middle of a field like our current Boob in Chief, but going through normal channels of course.

I think "going through normal channels" is key here, though I can imagine a scenario where State Department inquiries are stonewalled and the POTUS has to reach out directly to the Afghan President. So I guess there's an answer to my question.

When the individual in question is a political rival the POTUS should of course have the sense to recuse himself from the situation, so to speak.

by **momadance** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 23:16:00

CalvinBall wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Second whistleblower complaint from someone with more direct knowledge of Ukraine situation may be forthcoming.

Sometimes I wonder where the times gets this stuff

The same kind of sources where Woodward and Bernstein got their info. Lot of us bureaucrats in DC.

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